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8. Alexis de SMOKEville smoked out May 24, 2004, 08:02 LionKuntz
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7. Re: Bush, MS, and Linux May 20, 2004, 21:36 Halsy
Heh, all thinktanks have an agenda they're not privately funded out of the goodness of people's hearts. Almost all GOP and Democrats these days are corporate whores, just some more than others - like Dubya. Dig it...

The very idea of a patent for a "translucent window" is ludicrous at best. Sorry, but translucent windows have existed for centuries. The idea is nothing new, regardless of the medium. It's like these bullshit genome patents, how the fuck can someone patent something that exists in nature? You decoded, great, but you sure as hell didn't create it. Think I'll try and patent the atom.

"You make me sick, learn to love my right nut."
- Enahs
"And then, suddenly and without warning, it turned into a real-life case of hungry, hungry hippos."
- Stephen Colbert
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6. Re: Bush, MS, and Linux May 20, 2004, 19:05 FourPak
and the contractors (mercenaries) in Iraq

I noticed that too - what people used to call Mercenaries, ie. para-military survivalist nutjobs who respond to "Opportunity in Iraq!" job ads in Soldier of Fortune magazine, are now referred to as "civilian contractors"???

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5. Re: Bush, MS, and Linux May 20, 2004, 11:58 SmyTTor
That's part of the problem with how we get information now-a-days, especially from news media. They are supposed to only report what they are given and to make sure they provide no context to it. Thus you get some crackpot extremist claiming the world is only 6000 years old and that fossilized dinosaur bones are all fakes as fact with no discourse or counterpoint available for the viewer/reader.

I'm an MCSE from the NT4 days, not a die hard Linux priest, and I'm not a Democrat. I am, however, very upset with the current administration in the US, the high involvement of corporation and religion in politics, and the lock-out techniques and denial of fair-use of both established software companies and IP litigation houses to the detriment of the public.

It's easy to get tagged with the conspiracy lable. Most people would rather accept that than try to verify or refute what is being stated. I say at least follow the trail before you write something off.

Homework for those who want a shock:

The Bush family, The Carlyle Group, and the contractors (mercenaries) in Iraq: Find the connections.

Hint- follow the money.


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4. Re: Bush, MS, and Linux May 20, 2004, 11:14 mysticgeek
I wish there was a way for people to post links and proof of the smear campain against Linux without sounding like a complete conspiricy theorist nut. But I don't think there is a way to do that anymore.

The proof you show and the links you provide lay it all out, but I guess there is just no way to make is sound any less than the "gunman on the grassy-noll, magic bullet, back-and-to-the-left" nutcases, even though you are totally right. I'm certainly not suggesting that you're of the tinfoil hat brigade, it's just that it's almost impossible to not sound like one when trying to present facts on a hot-topic subject.

But this has been proven many times that the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution is a Think-Tank for hire and if you have the cash, they can prove any position you want them to.

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3. Re: Bush, MS, and Linux May 20, 2004, 11:06 Zathrus
It's been thourghly debunked on numerous sites, including GrokLaw, and it's pretty clear that AdTI is nothing but a paid shill of a "thinktank" that doesn't bother to publish factual information.

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2. Bush, MS, and Linux May 20, 2004, 10:33 SmyTTor
Ok, first from yesterday and the translucent patent- how many people, going years back, remember translucent windows in different Linux mods and some win95 mods? The patent wars coming up are going to be ass ugly, especially since the EU passed that set of draconian patent laws.

The Alexis de Tocqueville Institution has started this smear campaign not only against Linux, but also Linus Torvalds. They say he didn't even "invent" Linux and suggest it was stolen code from Unix and Minux (they meant Minix, but they don't really know what the hell they are talking about anyway). This was in their press release regarding an upcoming book, which is chock full of misquotes and changed contexts of Open Source and Free Software community leaders.

The author of this "book", Ken Brown, inferring that Linus didn't write Linux is seriously lacking brainpower or even basic research methodology. This is from supposedly a think tank and by its President, no less. Read some of his research for this book and pay attention to the following link:

Brown flew over to Amsterdam to interview me on 23 March 2004. Apparently I was the only reason for his coming to Europe. The interview got off to a shaky start, roughly paraphrased as follows:

AST: "What's the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution?"
KB: We do public policy work
AST: A think tank, like the Rand Corporation?
KB: Sort of
AST: What does it do?
KB: Issue reports and books
AST: Who funds it?
KB: We have multiple funding sources
AST: Is SCO one of them? Is this about the SCO lawsuit?
KB: We have multiple funding sources
AST: Is Microsoft one of them?
KB: We have multiple funding sources

He wanted to go on about the ownership issue, but he was also trying to avoid telling me what his real purpose was, so he didn't phrase his questions very well. Finally he asked me if I thought Linus wrote Linux. I said that to the best of my knowledge, Linus wrote the whole kernel himself, but after it was released, other people began improving the kernel, which was very primitive initially, and adding new software to the system--essentially the same development model as MINIX. Then he began to focus on this, with questions like: "Didn't he steal pieces of MINIX without permission." I told him that MINIX had clearly had a huge influence on Linux in many ways, from the layout of the file system to the names in the source tree, but I didn't think Linus had used any of my code. Linus also used MINIX as his development platform initially, but there was nothing wrong with that. He asked if I objected to that and I said no, I didn't, people were free to use it as they wished for noncommercial purposes.

Finally, Brown began to focus sharply. He kept asking, in different forms, how one person could write an operating system all by himself. He simply didn't believe that was possible. So I had to give him more history, sigh.

My conclusion is the Ken Brown doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. I also have grave questions about his methodology. After he talked to me, he prowled the university halls buttonholing random students and asking them questions. Not exactly primary sources.

Bush is paid off corporate shill. He and his "inner circle" are against Linux and want to kill it to benfit his corporate contributors. Want proof?

Microsoft and the Gates third party investing crew are also behind this effort. Want proof?

Here's the ties that bind: follow the money!

Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
Arlington, VA 22209
Web address:

Total $ Granted: $ 1,723,900
For Years: 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 1993 1991 1990 1989 1988
# Grants: 39

Funding and Right Wing Connections

Bush’s Corporate Cabinet: Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Other positions: Alexis de Tocqueville Institution

Vice President’s Office
Assistant to the Vice President for Domestic Policy -- Cesar Conda was executive
director of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, a libertarian think tank.


"Opening the Open Source Debate," a white paper slated to be released Friday by the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, indicates that open-source software is inherently less secure than proprietary software. The report warns governments against relying on open-source software for national security...

A Microsoft spokesman confirmed that Microsoft provides funding to the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution.,1411,52973,00.html

Recently, an obscure Washington think-tank, the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution (AdTI), posted a press release promising a study which "outlines how open source might facilitate efforts to disrupt or sabotage electronic commerce, air traffic control or even sensitive surveillance systems." ...

... Who Funded the Report? ...

When I pressed further, Mr. Fossedal replied: "Lookit [sic]: I've told you our policy about discussing our donors; you may think it's appropriate or you may think it's wrong-headed, but that's it."

However, it is a matter of public record that Microsoft funds the AdTI. It's also a matter of public record that Microsoft strongly opposes the GPL, the license under which Linux is released.

The Alexis de Tocqueville Institution (ADTI), a conservative Washington think tank, recently issued a paper outlining the reasons why Linux and other Open Source Software is more easily compromised by terrorists than proprietary alternatives...

...The paper further suggested that Microsoft operating systems are ideal candidates for running government computer networks...

...However, the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) is moving forward with open source solutions based on information in a report provided to it by Mitre, a nonprofit company that does research for the DoD, the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Aviation Administration...

...When asked whether Microsoft offered the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution financial compensation for its research, a Microsoft representative later admitted that the company did in fact offer funding to the research company.

In considering both reports, then, one might wonder how one organization's results came to be in such contrast to the other's.

Bradley Foundation, Lynne and Harry

John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.

Philip M. McKenna Foundation

Koch Family Foundations
David Koch Foundation | Charles Koch Foundation | Claude R. Lambe Foundation

This conservative think tank is also responsible for anti-environmental reports and support for gutting the Clean Air Act.

There are a lot more links and what-not, but the best place I can think to point anyone to is


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1. The Linux Link is Broken May 20, 2004, 10:19 Tigger
This takes you to the correct story:

"It's not the years, it's the mileage" ~Indiana Jones
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