The Problem is that in fact the Illiad is a story above all, would you have liked an americanized version of the lords of the ring. It is the same thing, no matter what happens you americans turn every story you can into an americanized movie with your own values inside it ( i.e. Hero fix things, get the chicks and everybody his happy at the end... )

The thing is if that story would have been copywritted today, they would not had been able to change that much of the story, indeed, there is so much changed to the story that we could barely call it something near Troy, if it was'nt for the city and the horse. Oh, and i heard the director said that even if the gods foughts along side each army, it would not be realistic to do it....personally i find this laughable, its like having no elves and dwarfes in lords of the ring, because it would not be realistic...duh

And yes the dialog at times was a little out of place.

Yeah, even though I didn't mind so much when Achilles said that he "had mad javelin skilz" and "dude, that Helen chick is mad fine", I drew the line when he said that he was going to "get medieval on their asses".


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WarPig's link of the week:
http://www.takeoneforthecountry.com/index.asp

but if you're really concerned about what REALLY happened, it's a very informative show.

The thing is nobody knows what "REALLY" happened. The only real fact they have is the location of a destroyed city.
It happened so long ago that there is no real record of what actually took place or the relationships other than a city was wiped out in a massive war.

And again people (including our "scholars and historians" need to realize that Homer wrote about this war like 1000 years after it happened. I believe Homer wrote it around 8 BC, and the war happened around 1200 BC...so even then facts and details are going to be lost. Its a love triangle love story, much like is written in modern times.

And really, I fail to see why anyone would consider Troy so bad. The Greeks and the Trojans fought, which is pretty much what the whole movie is about.

Exactly. Anything beyond the fighting is mostly left wide open to interpretation and variation. Nobody knows or will ever know who did what to whom, or who was doing whom that long ago =)

I enjoyed the movie, it wasnt up to Braveheart or Gladiator standards, but was pretty close.
And yes the dialog at times was a little out of place.

For fuck's sake America, start worrying about some REAL fucking problems for a change.

Like?

Oh, and George Lucas deserves to be shot for having Greedo shoot first.

That's a given.

Working on a variation of my 'intrusive poll',

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There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don’t know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president. -- Kurt Vonnegut

And really, I fail to see why anyone would consider Troy so bad

I personally didn't like a lot of the dialog. Sounded too modern for my tastes. The battle scenes were great, though. And Erik Bana was a good Hector.

Eddie Izzard's bit on the Trojan Horse was hilarious.

"You make me sick, learn to love my right nut."
- Enahs

So is that to say that The Illiad is straight up in line with reality?

It was inspired by the events of the Trojan War / The Illiad. It never claimed to be an exact copy of the historical events or the book.

The Discovery channel is currently running a 2 hour segment called "The Real Troy" or something to that effect. It's pretty dry and lots of talking with strange old Greek men who've been sitting on the same ruins for 40+ years, but if you're really concerned about what REALLY happened, it's a very informative show.

And really, I fail to see why anyone would consider Troy so bad. The Greeks and the Trojans fought, which is pretty much what the whole movie is about. There was undoubtedly a Prince Hector involved, and I'm sure there was some guy called Achilles stomping around SOMEWHERE in the Greek army. That's 98% of your movie right there.

Creston

A piece of shit television show that allows one schmuck to make a CD that sells 14 copies and gets downloaded 118000 times, and all these poor poor Americans just CANNOT get through to cast their vote!

Why doesn't the Senate DO something about this??

{/disgusted sarcasm}

For fuck's sake America, start worrying about some REAL fucking problems for a change. Fuck dammit.


Oh, and George Lucas deserves to be shot for having Greedo shoot first.

Creston

Han shoots first? That new scene sucks. You wonder why Jabba employs a bounty hunter who cannot hit a stationary target sitting oposite him. Didn't Jabba suspect anything when Greebo kept on walking into doors and couldn't see shit 5 meters away?
Obviously the empire hired all the sharp shooters into stormtrooper academy leaving him with the myopic gimps...

Oh.


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Dead at 84, just read it. Died last night in his sleep.

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I hope this doesn't get lost in the shuffle...

I'm having a problem with Outlook 2003. I check 4 different accounts with it (not the real accounts, but the form they take): john@doe.com, jdoe@isp.com, complicity@isp.com, and another@isp.com

doe.com is my own domain, hosted on a server here on my LAN at home. MX record points to it in the form of somenumbers.hostname.isp.com (I know that's not 'proper'). All accounts can send and receive mail with no problems.

And of the accounts on isp.com that receive mail, when I hit Reply or Forward, no problem, it replies/fwds using the account that received the mail. Here's the problem: when I receive mail with john@doe.com and reply or fwd, it attempts to reply using the jdoe@isp.com account. This works, but then it looks like it came from jdoe@isp.com, and replies to that email come back to jdoe@isp.com, which I don't want.

john@doe.com is set as the default email account in Outlook and creating new emails works properly, sending out through that server. I don't want to have to delete the other 3 accounts just to test it (I need them anyway), but this is driving my nuts. I've been banging my head off my desk for an hour here.

Help?

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To drown the throat of war!

While I think the game was completly raped gameplay wise, I am curious about the actual story quality. Tiny rooms, horrible slow downs on high end machines and consolized game mechanics aside, is the game worth playing through for at least the storyline(s) as Deus Ex was?

I tend to be very forgiving of gameplay mechanics if the game underneath is intelligent and engaging for some other reason, like story. DX:IW's story was well short of what I was expecting. Coupled with mostly shallow and uninteresting characters, (including Alex Denton who seemed to be on valium), and the game just doesn't compare with the first one. I never found myself caring about anyone enough to make the multiple solutions worthwhile. One solution was as good as any other. Compared to say, KoTOR, where playing darkside makes me genuinely feel bad about what I'm doing at times. It's quite a contrast.

I don't consider it a bad game, but I don't see myself ever playing it again. It does have it's moments, but they are just too few and too far between to make it something I can recommend.

What follows is a partial list of discrepancies between "Troy the Big-Budget Hollywood Movie" and "Troy the Epic Poem and Archeological History".

I find so amusing that people (Dr's and Professors included) keep saying Troy was "based on" The Iliad. I saw the movie on Saturday and the text clearly said "inspired by". There is a huge difference between the two phrases, that doesnt justify the mundane comparisons of so called history.

I say "so called history" because, assuming you agree that the Trojan War ever took place, Homer's Iliad is a fictional story based on the war, (ie: what the movie Titanic was to the actual sinking of Titanic). Far too many supposed scholars look at The Iliad as factual history when it isn't. It's a story, like a short novel that was written 2000 years ago (several hundred years after the Trojan War supposedly even took place).

The number one comment I hear from people, and is the first thing listed on that link "The war took ten years, not seventeen days". A 10 year war in a movie would be extremely boring, it was condensed for the same reason Lord of the Rings was condensed so it didn't take place across 20 years.

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Go to the main page of the site and hunt them down...they're still there

Yeah, I know. Just thought Blue might want to fix the links at some point.

And all of the links on the T-Shirts page continue to 404.

Go to the main page of the site and hunt them down...they're still there.

edit: Well, I WOULD post the link, but it hoses the thread, and I know how everyone here despises tinyurl...



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Too bad I don't have a Blue's News T shirt. I'd have worn it to represent. Maybe next year.

And all of the links on the T-Shirts page continue to 404.

I'm guessing the out-of-stock items won't ever be refilled either

George Lucas must die.

Preferably before he puts out the latest travesty next year.

At least Spielburg had the decency to put out E.T. on DVD with both the original 1982 version and the altered 2002 version in the same box (at least in the US -- I've heard that Region 4 (Oz) got shafted again).

Really the biggest shame is any changes to the first film. That's the one that dramatically changed film making from that point onward. Certainly Empire was the best of the lot, so it'd be nice to have that unaltered as well, but for historical reasons it's important to have an unaltered version of the original Star Wars (effects glitches and all). Of course, Lucas doesn't care.

I have a distinct lack of interest in this DVD release. If they'd been put out in the original forms, or with both forms available, then I might've bit. As it is I'll spend my money elsewhere. Frankly, the movies are B-grade cinema at best. The only thing that made them rise above that was the fact that they were innovative for the time. But Lucas has deftly removed both the historical aspect and the personal memory aspect by re-editing the films.

The Han shoots first link caught my eye. I've actually had discussions on this one scene in particular. Now, I liked the added special FX and all. I feel they just made the movie a better experience.
However, and I won't go into detail on the scene and what a tragedy it is, the Han Solo / Greedo seen in the Cantena bar being tampered with was Just outrageous. Both visually and pycologically (spell that for me?).
Oh, I had fun @ E3 on Friday. I met and shook hands with Gabe whatshisname from Valve Software. Just exchange some small talk really.
Same goes for Sinbad. He was in the Unreal Engine 3 booth with me. Damn Unreal Engine 3 looks so amazing when you see it live. Much better than the low quality vids you see on the net. I couldn't believe how detailed the stuff was. My heart was going a little faster from excitment. Just loved it. Too bad I don't have a Blue's News T shirt. I'd have worn it to represent. Maybe next year.



-Tony!!!;)

As someone who was a harcore Deus Ex junkie and played through it too many times and then playing the Invisible war demo, I obviously have not purchased the full version.

I am getting curious now, though.

While I think the game was completly raped gameplay wise, I am curious about the actual story quality. Tiny rooms, horrible slow downs on high end machines and consolized game mechanics aside, is the game worth playing through for at least the storyline(s) as Deus Ex was?

Ah yes, May 18 1980. I was in my sophomore year at Eastern Washington University at Cheney, WA (a small town outside of Spokane) and it was a gorgeous Sunday afternoon. Then these REALLY nasty black clouds came rolling in and buried everything in stinky gray powder. I had a big project due the next day, but school was cancelled for a week!