ATI/Counter-Strike 2 Bundle?

Counter Strike 2 to be bundled with X800PRO-XT on the Inquirer (thanks Stoo) has more on their rumor of another ATI/Valve bundle deal, even as gamers with previous generation ATI cards wonder what video card they will be using when their Half-Life 2 bundle is eventually fulfilled. According to the report, this is a scenario that could possibly play itself out yet again: "For their side, ATI partners are not comfortable to go for one more bundle as there is still no game available. Summer could well mean the end of summer rather than the beginning and it will still take some time to finish Counter Strike 2. This might easily put ATI in a position where it has another card, the R480, before the piece of paper can be exchanged for the real thing."
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LOL
May 10, 2004, 10:56
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LOL May 10, 2004, 10:56
May 10, 2004, 10:56
 
Please noone buy these and encourage this type of BS marketing. I wish I could sue.

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Re: LOL
May 10, 2004, 11:03
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Re: LOL May 10, 2004, 11:03
May 10, 2004, 11:03
 
This is BS, please no one support this. This is worse then the 1 year before release pre-order crap that encourages dev/publishers to release crappy games because they can justify it with pre-order numbers, most people pre-order vapor ware, just stupid. Both models are bad business.

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Re: LOL
May 10, 2004, 11:09
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Re: LOL May 10, 2004, 11:09
May 10, 2004, 11:09
 
Yep.

This is a really bad idea.

Bring us vouchers for games that EXIST. Not games that aren't finished. And not MODS/expansions for games that aren't finished. Jesus.

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Re: LOL
May 10, 2004, 11:10
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Re: LOL May 10, 2004, 11:10
May 10, 2004, 11:10
 
Anybody who’s influenced by a bundled game is an idiot anyway. If you’re going to spend that much on a card £25’s worth of free game shouldn’t make any difference.

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Re: LOL
May 10, 2004, 11:12
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Re: LOL May 10, 2004, 11:12
May 10, 2004, 11:12
 
After reading how Steam killed a CPL event on the day it was to start I thought everybody learned their lesson! HL2 was supposed to ship with the 9600/9800 XT now the X800 and x800 xt will come out and HL2 will not be ready! CS2 will probably use HL2 tech so don't hold your breath on this one.

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Re: LOL
May 10, 2004, 11:16
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Re: LOL May 10, 2004, 11:16
May 10, 2004, 11:16
 
So according to the ATI Ads/promotion, Half-life 2 plays best on the Radeon 9800 XT. So uhm, now that the 9800XT is no longer their top-of-the-line video card, what are they going to do with this stupid promotion?

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Bullshit, I'm Full
May 10, 2004, 11:18
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Bullshit, I'm Full May 10, 2004, 11:18
May 10, 2004, 11:18
 
The Phantom and CS2, I can only take so much bullshit in one day.

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Fool me once . . .
May 10, 2004, 11:33
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Fool me once . . . May 10, 2004, 11:33
May 10, 2004, 11:33
 
Anyone dumb enough to buy this "bundle" deserves exactly what they'll get (which is NOTHING).

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May 10, 2004, 11:52
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May 10, 2004, 11:52
 
So should we just automatically assume we are gonna have to shell out for CS2?

Damn.

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Re: No subject
May 10, 2004, 12:00
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Re: No subject May 10, 2004, 12:00
May 10, 2004, 12:00
 
Aren't we jumping the gun here.


Isn't the Inquirer known for always being very, very wrong and damn near making things up? Or was that the Register? Or are they the same people?

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Re: LOL
May 10, 2004, 12:04
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Re: LOL May 10, 2004, 12:04
May 10, 2004, 12:04
 
Anybody who’s influenced by a bundled game is an idiot anyway. If you’re going to spend that much on a card £25’s worth of free game shouldn’t make any difference.

Good point. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is they set a bad precedent because it indicates to many people [along with various other signals out there] that there was some kind of impending release. [with the last promotion]. Now people own ATI video cards that are one generation out of date based on that last promotion. Thats fucked up, and not necessarily all their fault.


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Re: No subject
May 10, 2004, 12:09
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Re: No subject May 10, 2004, 12:09
May 10, 2004, 12:09
 
Isn't the Inquirer known for always being very, very wrong and damn near making things up? Or was that the Register?

Frankly, it's both.

They can both have tech news before most other sites, but they don't exactly have the most rigorous screening policy. Reading either one becomes an art of seperating the wheat from the chaff.

It's even more humorous when one uses the other as backup to its story.

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H-L 2 promo
May 10, 2004, 12:21
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H-L 2 promo May 10, 2004, 12:21
May 10, 2004, 12:21
 
On a side note, anyone else having problems trying to redeem their H-L 2 promo? I've gone to the ATI promo webpage and tried submitting my info & activation key a few times, but the page does nothing...I don't get any confirmation number.

I called ATI CS, but they had no clue why I wasn't getting a confirmation number. Anyone else have problems with the webpage?

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H-L 2 promo
May 10, 2004, 12:42
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H-L 2 promo May 10, 2004, 12:42
May 10, 2004, 12:42
 
Ah even MORE evidense that ATI is paying Valve a crapload for them to tweek there games for ATI hardware.

Why else would valve use 24bit color when they KNOW 32bit will be required if they plan to support the next round of DX9. Is it just by fluke that ATI supports 24bit graphics and nVidia does not? No.. thats by design. These two companies are getting rich off each other and it makes me sick.

Gabe Newell said that x800 is 40% faster then a 6800u in Half-Life2. Which boggles my mind because as many comparisons have stated the shader engine on the 6800u is far superior to that of the x800, offering not only shader 3.0 support but DX9c support AND virtually unlimited shader programing. You simply CANNOT tell me with any truth that Valve isn't programing there game to work great on ATI hardware, and sup-par on nVidia hardware. Not when John Carmack is so in favor of shader 3.0 and nvidias new card that he is already building his next engine USING IT!

Valve your becoming one hell of a sell-out. And Gabe Newell is the biggest one of you all. (I'd like to use stronger language.. but in trying to be somewhat decent...)

FYI for those having problems with the ATI-HL2 bundle deal, many companies have opted out of it in spite of some legal issue. I think only cards made by ATI specificly support the deal now.


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Re: H-L 2 promo
May 10, 2004, 13:03
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Re: H-L 2 promo May 10, 2004, 13:03
May 10, 2004, 13:03
 
FYI for those having problems with the ATI-HL2 bundle deal, many companies have opted out of it in spite of some legal issue. I think only cards made by ATI specificly support the deal now.

You gotta be shitting me! That deal was part of the reason I bought my card. I picked up a Sapphire 9600XT a few months back, but just got around to the promo since it looks like H-L 2 may finally be coming out. So I may not be getting a confirmation number cuz my activation code is no longer valid? That's great. Thanks a lot ATI. I wish I just stuck with Nvidia.

/calling ATI's CS now

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Re: H-L 2 promo
May 10, 2004, 13:24
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Re: H-L 2 promo May 10, 2004, 13:24
May 10, 2004, 13:24
 
wow Fion, nice bunch of hatred spawned by misconception you have going there. first off, valve isn't using 24bit color, they are using dx9 shaders which ms requires to run at full precision with at least fp24. nvidia cards will run at the closest thing they have to meeting those requirements when full precision is needed, and fp16 when allowed by partial precision hints. this is how dx9 works and vavle is not doing anything different than anyone else in this situation. as for Gabe's comments about the speed of the x800, he never said it was 40% faster than the 6800u. Gabe said:

In terms of performance, it's pretty fast," said Gabe Newell, president of Valve Software, the developer of Half-Life II. "When I say 'pretty fast' I mean that its 40 percent faster in internal testing, faster than any next-generation parts that are coming out. That's a huge advantage in developing a game."

people have twisted that around to say it means 40% faster than the 6800u, but Gabe was clearly mentioning the 40% in relation to the last generation of hardware.



as for the inquirer's claims of cs2 vouchers coming with the x800, i'd bet money that it will never happen.

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Re: H-L 2 promo
May 10, 2004, 13:33
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Re: H-L 2 promo May 10, 2004, 13:33
May 10, 2004, 13:33
 
See now I was told 40% faster then 6800u.. I didn't twist his words.. I just heard them second hand.

As to the fp24, did you realize the next DX9 requires fp32? Thats what makes me wonder why valve doesn't support it, and it's just a coincidense that ATI still chooses to support fp24, but nVidia doesnt, when all the next gen technology requires it. That and ATI is doing all kinds of bundles with valve games.

It doesn't take a physicist to realize theres a lot of money being put in peoples pockets, enough to tweek an engine in favor of those who are putting that money in your pocket

As to the CS2 vouchers.. it IS comming from the Enquirer lmao. That and most companies are screwing over a LOT of poeple with the whole HL2 bundle faisco. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm not the type to have conspirasy theories in my head. But this is just to much. Not that I really care. I have no plays on buying an ATI card anyway. Even IF it runs better in Valves engine.

Thats another thing, valve keeps insisting that ATI cards run there engine better then anything else, yet Troika is making Vampire: Bloodlines based off the engine, and are showing the game off with nvidia run machines in there current press tours and saying it runs fine (and NOT 6800u's).

I cant help but think something is fishy here, and knowing the extreme competition between these two companies. I wouldn't put it passed ATI to stuff Valves pockets for a little edge. I wouldn't put it passed nVidia either. I mean both have done things like this in the passed (like fudging 3dmark tests.. which both have done.)

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Re: H-L 2 promo
May 10, 2004, 13:36
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Re: H-L 2 promo May 10, 2004, 13:36
May 10, 2004, 13:36
 
Also, most reviews I've seen give the DX9 shader edge to ATI, not to nVidia.

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Re: H-L 2 promo
May 10, 2004, 13:41
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Re: H-L 2 promo May 10, 2004, 13:41
May 10, 2004, 13:41
 
x800 vs 6800u previews or previous generation ones? ALmost every one for the new cards I've read, the 6800u comes out on top in shader comparisons mostly because of it's new shader 3.0 technology and dx9c support.

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May 10, 2004, 13:42
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May 10, 2004, 13:42
 
translation: DONT BUY THE VIDEO CARD/GAME BUNDLE

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