Out of the Blue

Today is the debut of Kill Bill Vol. 2... I'm really looking forward to that one. More guns and action are on tap in The Punisher, but in spite of my life-long affection for comic books, I'm a little dubious about this one... I think it might have to do with that creepy black wig/dye job Thomas Jane sports in the promos reminding me too much of Dolph Lundgren in that awful original. On the other hand, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos is easier on the eyes than Lou Gossett, so this could be tolerable regardless...

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Wow! Early!
Apr 16, 2004, 09:49
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Wow! Early! Apr 16, 2004, 09:49
Apr 16, 2004, 09:49
 
I see Blue got up nice and early this morning! Good morning Blue!

Anyway -- first and formost, everyone needs to go over to http://www.gamefaqs.com and vote for Doom. They're having a "Best. Game. Ever." poll thingy, and today is Doom vs Earthbound. I've never even heard of Earthbound, but it's still gotten 40% of the votes as of this morning.

Read the taxing times article -- what a bunch of dips. Arguing semantics and ignoring case law -- yeah, you have a leg to stand on (and, yes, a corporation can receive wages; if you're a contractor and you've incorporated then the wages are paid to your corporation, not to you). What really pisses me off about it, however, is that a fair number of the people who claim they have no obligation to pay income taxes still want the full benefit as if they had paid the taxes. Don't pay taxes? Then don't use any government services (including state government when you have state income tax). Quit using interstates or US/state routes, don't use public transportation (largely funded by taxes), don't call the police or fire services, etc. Sure, they pay property and sales taxes, so some state and local services are paid for still (namely public schools), but it's hardly anywhere close to the majority of government tax revenue.

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Re: Wow! Early!
Apr 16, 2004, 10:03
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Re: Wow! Early! Apr 16, 2004, 10:03
Apr 16, 2004, 10:03
 
I am also wary of the new Punisher film, although I do not share your sentiments about the original. Having received the DVD as a gift and watching too many times, often inebriated, I have come to realize the true genius of the first film.

Dolph Lundgren was a genius! Chemical engineering degree, world karate champion. I suggest you watch the original film, you'll see it in a different light after the fifth or so viewing. I know I did.

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The Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 10:03
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The Punisher Apr 16, 2004, 10:03
Apr 16, 2004, 10:03
 
OK so I got the nifty sneak peek tix last night and decided to go check this out. First of all I have to say that it is MUCH better than the dulf picture, but still falls very short.

It is a decent movie, it isnt entirely un-watchable. IT does have the pacing of a salted snail, and was far too long for the genre. Acting was decent, although I still wanted to kill john travolta and was happy when his character finally dies. But even though the violence that was there was superbly done, it did not make the movie a good movie.

So i would say wait for vid or maybe cable. dont waste your money folks

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Dolph...
Apr 16, 2004, 10:21
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Dolph... Apr 16, 2004, 10:21
Apr 16, 2004, 10:21
 
How has Dolph Lundgren never won an Oscar? How did the 1992 Academy completely miss the genius of Universal Soldier?

Mind you don't step in the sarcasm

BTW, that Ericisgreat is class!!


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Re: Wow! Early!
Apr 16, 2004, 10:23
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Re: Wow! Early! Apr 16, 2004, 10:23
Apr 16, 2004, 10:23
 
The other thing tax-evaders cease to realize is the society they live in would in no way exist were it not for taxes. All of the support systems those jackoffs rely on wouldn't exist if they payes no taxes - if they dont want to pay, they should secede, and become self-sustaining.sufficient. I just love how he "Fears god and god alone". HE should be a politician

The companies will be very pleased.
STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, GET OUT OF THAT BED AND GET DOWN ON THE FLOOR, GET OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE: GET DOWN ON THE CEMENT, I DONT CARE IF YOU'RE NUDE, GET DOWN ON THE CEMENT, I DON'T CARE IF ITS FREEZING! WHERES THE DRUGS, WE KNOW YOU GOT THE DRU
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Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 10:27
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Punisher Apr 16, 2004, 10:27
Apr 16, 2004, 10:27
 
I'd be really mad at you for spoiling the Travolta dying part if I ever thought I would see this movie.

BTW: When I run that 96K game from yesterday, if I hit enter at the "start game" button, it exits. How are you supposed to start it.
And before you say my PC isn't good enough...it is a duel P4 2.8 GHz with half a Gig of memory.

WalterEgo
Blue's younger and better looking, yet dumber brother
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The Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 10:30
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The Punisher Apr 16, 2004, 10:30
Apr 16, 2004, 10:30
 
Well, I have to say, given the previews I saw before watching Hellboy, I think the Punisher remake will be ok, but definately not in line with the original series of comics. Which really really makes me upset. I read those comics in middle school growing up, bought the first appearance of the punisher (was an amazing spiderman issue) but when I think of the punisher, I think of action taking place in an urban setting mostly. Some of the previews gave me the "filmed in miami" vibe. This may be way off base, we'll see. I preferred the jumpsuit with the skull on it as opposed to street clothes with a trenchcoat. I had high hopes for this movie, and reading some of the thoughts here, I should probably be high while watching the movie...

Oh yeah, the Dolph movie was eh in its day, haven't watched it since...I think there's a good franchise potential there and wish someone big had picked this up and ran with it.
AxemaN
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Re: Wow! Early!
Apr 16, 2004, 10:46
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Apr 16, 2004, 10:46
 
These tax dodgers must be pretty naive. I hate taxes as much as the next guy, but like em or not they're the foundation of our government's ability to provide services to us. Without taxes, there would only be neighborhood watch lol. Imagine how effective that would be. Or firefighters. Imagine the chaos of an apartment fire, with people trying to find the landlord so they can get into the equipment room to get a garden hose to put out a fire. It'd almost be poetic if there was some sort of blacklist for tax dodgers - no taxes paid, no fire or police service. "911." "HELP ME! My house is burning down around me!" "... we're sorry, sir, but you're listed as refusing to pay your taxes. We wish you well, and we hope you've saved enough of that extra money to have bought your own firehose." *click*

--Infantryman
Proud to be part of the ACASM.

"Is it so hard to teach a child not to shoot people?"
Huh? I'm sorry, I was thinking about cake.
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Re: Wow! Early!
Apr 16, 2004, 11:26
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Apr 16, 2004, 11:26
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early update = good

homemade rocket launcher = burnt scalp for user?

tax dodgers = you go looking for trouble, you'll find it (or it'll find you)

Punisher = meh

Kill Bill = waiting for the dvd so I can see the whole thing at once



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Dolph Lundgren IS the Punisher!!!
Apr 16, 2004, 11:40
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Dolph Lundgren IS the Punisher!!! Apr 16, 2004, 11:40
Apr 16, 2004, 11:40
 
Accept it... Thomas Jane is no Dolph Lundgren.

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The Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 11:47
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The Punisher Apr 16, 2004, 11:47
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The original Punisher ROCKED, for maaany reasons.

While I understand the acting might not have been great, and that perhaps some of it was low budget, I'd like to just add in the following points:

Dolph Lundgren had the perfect body size/type for the role. There's number one. Number two, while it wasn't necessarily the costume worn on the comics -- the attire he wore during the movie was spot on, especially the stilleto's with the little silver skulls on the top. (As well as the kind of dusty/beatup motorcycle he had)

Did you notice how he looks ... rough? Beat up? It's rare in a movie to see the 'hero' get cuts, and more specifically bruises, on his body. This is not a James Bond movie where he fights off 10 guys and doesn't even mess up his hair. As the movie goes on, he looks more and more haggard, tired, and "like shit". Fantastic job of making a guy who doesn't have any "super powers" take damage and SHOW it.

Also, I find the hand to hand fighting sequences to be fantastic. Why? There were, to a point, adlibbed -- Dolph Lundren being a black belt in several(?) martial arts, the director also brought in several other martial artists, to perform the various fight sequences. At least to me, a certain credible, chunky, "bad ass" feel is thus apparent in the hand to hand fighting sequences, especially when the Punisher fights the two Samurai guys in the "Yakuza tower".

I thought some of the dialog was great, albeit hilarious. One liners can get cheesy, but I thought that some of them as delivered by Dolph, were spot on. When Frank (Lou Gossett) is talking to the Punisher in prison, and he says, "You..you know you're sick, don't you?" and the Dolph just gets this kind of maniacal little smile and whispers, "..no I'm not.." back -- that's one of my favorite lines from any movie. Or how about, "Hey, what's the reason behind you killing all those guys? There's a limit to revenge..." and then, as he's checking the magazine of his rifle, the Punisher looks over and with a wry expression, says, "Well then I guess I haven't reached mine yet..."

I realize that I have lower/different standards on what makes a good movie and a bad movie. But for every movie that I think is great that others say is garbage -- I guarantee you there are "great movies!" they'll recommend which truly are shit, too. *cough Titanic cough*

Oh, and do yourself a favor and watch "Showdown in Little Tokyo" while we're talking about the Dolphman. That is, if you don't suck, and you like movies that rule.

Then, I dare you to go rent, and watch the ENTIRE movie: R.O.T.O.R. Trust me on this one -- once you've been through this particular Hell, there will quite a few more movies which be placed upon your "not bad to good" list.

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Re: The Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 11:52
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Re: The Punisher Apr 16, 2004, 11:52
Apr 16, 2004, 11:52
 
Sounds like someone else has the DVD!

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Re: The Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 12:00
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Re: The Punisher Apr 16, 2004, 12:00
Apr 16, 2004, 12:00
 
they shoulda had Glen Danzig play the role...


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I'll let you know Blue
Apr 16, 2004, 12:20
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I'll let you know Blue Apr 16, 2004, 12:20
Apr 16, 2004, 12:20
 
I'm going tonight to see punisher, and I'll let you know, if ya like

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Re: I'll let you know Blue
Apr 16, 2004, 12:47
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Re: I'll let you know Blue Apr 16, 2004, 12:47
Apr 16, 2004, 12:47
 
I agree that the original was not that bad. I am just wondering why they redid it. I just loved the motorcycle sewer scenes, and when he dropped down through the skylight with the gatling gun.

I don't want to see it if they make the Punisher some dude who just mopes around for 2 hours. I own/read almost all of the original series and he is not one to linger.

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The Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 13:46
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The Punisher Apr 16, 2004, 13:46
Apr 16, 2004, 13:46
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I have the DVD, as well as the VHS (before the DVD was out).

I *LOVE* that part where he drops through the skylight and blows the hell out of that place with the light machinegun(?).

Yeah...having the Punisher be all mopey and shit is ridiculous.

While there were scenes in the original where he was surely questioning who he was and what he had become, there wasn't any moment of him being "soft". Sure, he rescued the kids, but it wasn't the same as suddenly finding a love interest, or getting all weepy eyed once he saw Jake, etc. The level of detachment from "Frank Castle" and considering himself a completely different person (The Punisher) was perfect.

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Kill Bill is the cat's ass
Apr 16, 2004, 13:49
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Kill Bill is the cat's ass Apr 16, 2004, 13:49
Apr 16, 2004, 13:49
 
Is that the right phrase? Anyway, I *love* the first one... can't wait to see Vol.2 this weekend.

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Re: The Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 13:52
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Re: The Punisher Apr 16, 2004, 13:52
Apr 16, 2004, 13:52
 
they shoulda had Glen Danzig play the role...

Apparently people are sick of hobbit movies...

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Punisher...Meh
Apr 16, 2004, 14:31
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Punisher...Meh Apr 16, 2004, 14:31
Apr 16, 2004, 14:31
 
The Mob killed my family and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.

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Re: The Punisher
Apr 16, 2004, 14:32
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