I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by Brothers in Arms when you play it (soon!).

The environments, events, stories, visuals, characters, weapons... the whole world you play in is deeply authentic to the true experience of June 1944. The game is a first person shooter and has all the intensity and accessibility of the best of them. At the same time, we have a very simple, very innovative interface that allows you to quickly command your AI squad when you want to use them for combat tactics.

If you like first person shooters, you'll love this game. It's done by a company that has been at the core of FPS gaming for years. If you've ever wondered what it would be like to fight with and lead a team in combat, you'll love this game. It has far and away the best squad AI of any game you've ever seen. And you can execute commands instantly, with barely a thought: no jumping through menus or other tedium. Instant Command Interface.

We know that the WWII genre is not exactly unexplored territory. ;-) But we made the right decision putting Brothers in Arms in that setting, and when you play this game you'll see why.

Spume is an idiot.

please tell me what is.
Operation Flashpoint.

Spume is just a closet fanboy.

This is a PC and consoles game. Console(S).

Full Spectrum Warrior is being released on XBOX first. If that isn't an rifle squad leader simulation please tell me what is.

Fuck knows why anyone is giving the actual game any credit as a WWII simulation. This is a PC and consoles game. Console(S). I am intrigued how the PS2 will handle the gritty realism all you WWII fanboys crave. Good luck with that.

run & gun sells,
damn right!

although H&D had to do with a bunch of fictional SAS operations where as BiA sounds as if it is a depiction of actual infantry operations with you as a small unit leader.

H&D2 is fictional, but based on what the SAS were doing in WW2. Call me cynical but for all the gloss it's probably going be more game than simulation, basing it on actual events isn't going to make it seem any more real...

expecting it to look and play like COD, AI led buddies, lots of scripting, very movie (Brothers in arms) like.

as much as I want it to be a "real" tactical squad game, I'm not convinced by the blurb, heard it all before, the consultants dont seem to add much other than a level of authenticity to keep the history nuts happy.

run & gun sells, that's what this looks like to me (under all the waffle) hope I'm wrong, dont like COD.

The same whining about the overused WWII theme preceded the release of CoD. I know there are people who probably didn't enjoy the game but the general consensus is that it was an excellent game regardless of genre although it wastooshort. It was well worth making and I'll play any shooter regardless of the theme that is manufactured with the same quality.

If they're going for 'realism', as in video game realism, on BiA than I hope they drop the two weapon carry in MP. Two many folks running around in CoD with a panzerfaust and an smg or a sniper rifle. Also, you shouldn't be able to hit anything that's further than 20 feet away unless you use your aiming sights! Better yet, no reticule!

If anyone is interested in a decent server realism mod for CoD (I think it's called VS-UK 2.2 mod or sumpthin') copy this ip into ASE.

The Sixth floor: Tactical realism mod server
69.12.10.125:28960

-single weapon carry
-three classes: rifleman, medic, engineer
-you can bleed out
-limited sniper and no panzerfaust
-shellshock
-best of all is you can blow the other guys helmet off
and some other shtuff
Happy Huntin'

This comment was edited on Apr 14, 17:49.

Stop being such an ass Scottish, and deliberately misreading what I'm saying. I'm complaining about the SETTING in which it's put, not about the TYPE of game they're trying to pull off. Notice the "(in this case WW II)" bit you quoted there? Gee, I wonder why that's there. I must not have been saying anything with that.

How I read it was that you were writing the game off based upon it being set in WWII. The point I've been trying to make in this thread is that people need to differentiate between the games setting and the game itself. I guess you do differentiate but thats not how I interpreted that statement.

As of now WWII has been used frequently but the games it has produced have not made good use of the WWII setting and for the most part have been clones. If the UGO article is accurate it looks like BiA is finally going to start making use of the strengths of the WWII setting rather than try to recreate scenes from recent WWII movies.

*cough* HIdden & Dangerous 2" *cough*

True, although H&D had to do with a bunch of fictional SAS operations where as BiA sounds as if it is a depiction of actual infantry operations with you as a small unit leader.

In your face Mr."The Simpsons comic book guy"

WORST.
EPISODE.
EVER.




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Wolfenstein 3-D. First real FPS ever

cough*ultimaunderworld*cough

I know there where 3d games before wolf3D. Catacombs 3D was another, which is why I wrote real FPS and not "first 3D game with first person perspective", In your face Mr."The Simpsons comic book guy"

Wolfenstein 3-D. First real FPS ever

cough*ultimaunderworld*cough


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This comment was edited on Apr 14, 12:58.

...ww2 has been a setting for games for as long as computer games have existed...

Couldn't agree more. There have been WWII strategy games on the market for eons now. Hell, many of the popular board game versions even made it to PC. If a genre was ever 'saturated' with a particular theme, that one definitely was. And I loved all of them.

...and the fact that there is so much money on the line these days that developers/publishers are reluctant to risk an original franchise...

One of the bigwigs for EA lectured at IGC a few years ago. He presented the publisher mentality to developers, "low investment, high return." Heavy focus on only sinking money into 'proven' titles and existing franchises. Though many hardcore gamers hate it, it is a sound business approach. And this is primarily a business.

I'm looking forward to this game. It looks to have a fresh approach on an untold story. Like I've said before, I view good games like good books. And who the hell bitches about "too many WWII books" at the bookstore?

Yeah, guess what I'm trying to say is that there really is no original WW2 game, and ww2 has been a setting for games for as long as computer games have existed, and with good reason WW2 is a familiar setting that people recognize, its got the perfect good vs evil feel to it, despite also being true. Its got tons of "fans", (the kind of people making ww2 miniatures etc.)and best of all, unlike star wars or other themes, its completely free.

So this market explosion for ww2 games is first and foremost related to the market explosion of games in general, and the fact that there is so much money on the line these days that developers/publishers are reluctant to risk an original franchise, you either fail to get fans or get sued for breaching trademarks.

Wolfenstein 3-D. First real FPS ever, and it was based on WW2. oh and that was 1993 or so, 11 years ago.

Everyone knows that. I was refering to the 'granddaddy' of the market explosion for WW2 games in recent years. Most since have copied it's formula.

...for all the hype, I still really do not know anything about this game, much less what makes it special.

The UGO preview did reveal a few things, though... I'm guessing they won't tell much more until E3

Six years ago WWII was still just as important a point in global history as it is now, but nobody was making shooters based on it. But now that several companies have made good sales in it, we get a deluge of them.

Actually, in 1998 Illusion Softworks was in full development with the granddaddy of them all, Hidden & Dangerous. You ASSume too much

Wolfenstein 3-D. First real FPS ever, and it was based on WW2. oh and that was 1993 or so, 11 years ago.


This comment was edited on Apr 14, 06:40.

...for all the hype, I still really do not know anything about this game, much less what makes it special.

Having the tagline, but wanting know about the actual game,
Ray

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Surprised more people arn't excited about this. Yes, there have been a ton of WWII games. However they have all been straight up shooters in a WWII setting, not a simulation."

*cough* HIdden & Dangerous 2" *cough*

it'll probably stick to what sells most and rely more on scripting and movie like atmos than a squad game with tactics, Serious Sam with a BAR.

yawn.