GTA: Vice City Suit Change

The latest in the seemingly endless stream of GTA legal stories, Vice City lawsuit switcheroo on GameSpot has word that the recently announced lawsuit over the language in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (story) is being changed from a Federal to a State lawsuit. Word is: "According to the Miami Herald, the Haitian group's lawyer felt their case was better-suited to a state court, where it would avoid the more lenient federal freedom-of-speech standards."
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Re: Don't
Jan 28, 2004, 12:32
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Re: Don't Jan 28, 2004, 12:32
Jan 28, 2004, 12:32
 
You fans don't even have the line right. It's:
"Kill All The Haitians."

I beleive that that is just PR from the haitians actually it does not exist in the game at all.

"Kill the haitians" however does, the prosecutor added 'all' to add weight to his case, and to try and make this nonsense seem at all meaningfull.

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Re: Don't
Jan 27, 2004, 16:02
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Re: Don't Jan 27, 2004, 16:02
Jan 27, 2004, 16:02
 
Unfortunatly I do, a couple of others who have posted in these threads have as well. Glad to see you catch it as well. The problem I have is, I don't get up when someone starts screaming kill all the Germans or kill all the Japanese. I have heard both. I don't have problems with this being portrayed in games either.

They are, games. The quote I'll leave for those who don't get it:

The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. - Samuel Adams
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there is a neat, simple solution;
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Come on...
Jan 27, 2004, 13:39
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Come on... Jan 27, 2004, 13:39
Jan 27, 2004, 13:39
 
So, these guys, as Americans, want to force via law an American company in America to remove some material they don't like, but, don't want the most important legal document in America to be taken into consideration while using the law to do this?

hmm... Even though the BS is Haiti is 100% America's fault, it sounds to me like these guys and their methods belong back in Haiti.

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No subject
Jan 27, 2004, 12:49
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Jan 27, 2004, 12:49
 
"avoid the more lenient federal freedom-of-speech standards"

hah. I supported the idea that the phrase used in the game was wrong, and I'm glad that they've already agreed to remove it from the game, but I have to say that choosing a different type of lawsuit to air the grievance based on it going to somewhere that is less sympathetic to freedom of speech is pretty deplorable, if that's what their laywer implied.

Where does that principle stop precisely?

Were I engaged in a legal dispute against someone Jewish, and was able to take it to court in Germany at the height of Nazi power, should I do that to avoid the more lenient legal and human rights that they might get elsewhere?

I really don't like the idea of people picking and choosing a more sympathetic version of justice.

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Don't "misunderestimate"
Jan 27, 2004, 09:38
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Don't "misunderestimate" Jan 27, 2004, 09:38
Jan 27, 2004, 09:38
 
Understand the threat here.

Moving to a local Miami court increases their odds of success by orders of magnitude. All they need is a sympathetic jury selected from the local population.

You fans don't even have the line right. It's:
"Kill All The Haitians."

If you cannot understand why this is offensive to some people or you cannot defend freedom of offensive expression in your consumer products, then you deserve to have the freedom ripped away by trivial lawsuits.

Defend or lose.

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Re: Hmmm.
Jan 27, 2004, 09:19
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Re: Hmmm. Jan 27, 2004, 09:19
Jan 27, 2004, 09:19
 
You know, it actually took me a good 15 seconds or so to decide on "goofs." That was a tough call.

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Hmmm.
Jan 27, 2004, 09:00
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Hmmm. Jan 27, 2004, 09:00
Jan 27, 2004, 09:00
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In game text: Kill the Haitans

The text as read by these "fucktard goofs" (I love the inclusion of the word goof; very well done):

Kill ALL Haitans. Kill every single Haitan person, ever. Not just the Haitans in this gang, that have been keeping you under some voodoo hex spell, but ALL Haitans. Haitan babies. Haitan children. Every single Haitan that there is, on the face of the planet: kill them. KILL THEM ALL. Then go back into every book, note, movie: erase every mention of "Haitans" from any source you can find. As a matter of fact, ERASE Haiti. Find a nuclear bomb, and BLOW HAITI AWAY. NUKE THEM TO FUCKING HELL! I COMMANDETH THEE!!!!1

*rolls eyes*

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Re: Cute...
Jan 27, 2004, 05:30
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Re: Cute... Jan 27, 2004, 05:30
Jan 27, 2004, 05:30
 
>> I think Robert Heinlein was right, with the idea that the world would be a better place with the death of all lawyers.

I think it's morally reprehensible to suggest killing all lawyers, it's almost advocating a form of career-based genocide.

Really, we should just lock them all up for a few years and then force them to get real jobs

Maff

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Re: Cute...
Jan 27, 2004, 05:22
Sty
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Re: Cute... Jan 27, 2004, 05:22
Jan 27, 2004, 05:22
Sty
 
What I'd do is play that section of the game once for the court...let 'em see the context.

"Uh ... Mr. Prosecutor? You've kept us waiting an hour."
"Yes, Your Honor, I just need to whack one more..."


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Re: Cute...
Jan 27, 2004, 01:48
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Re: Cute... Jan 27, 2004, 01:48
Jan 27, 2004, 01:48
 
It would be good if it went out at the federal level, but at the local level it gives them a chance to fight. When you look at the bigger picture. Meaning the 'games are no expression of free speech', it would weaken their case right? Especially if they lost, major blow to the entire trial lawyer group.

Almost like the bit about guns and how they are the ones that are firing themselfs and killing the people right? Bah...anyway, it's a sly move and hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say(I'm abit tired heh). The reason that they've done this is if they loose, they loose big time. Not only on this issue, but on the issue of 'video game free speech and expression' as a whole.
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Re: Cute...
Jan 27, 2004, 01:38
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Re: Cute... Jan 27, 2004, 01:38
Jan 27, 2004, 01:38
 
Aw, hell; this is a good thing. What I'd do is play that section of the game once for the court...let 'em see the context.

And hey, maybe that strange 'games are no expression of speech' thing will get overturned at the same time

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Cute...
Jan 27, 2004, 01:07
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Cute... Jan 27, 2004, 01:07
Jan 27, 2004, 01:07
 
Very cute. I wonder if they'll goto the 9th if they loose as well. *chuckle* Now that wouldn't surprise me at all, a smart move in the end, they know if they tried it in federal court they'd get boxed around the room by the 1st ammendment. They don't have a chance in hell at it like that.

Going by the state on the other hand, means that they have a chance of screwing the people in that state and still maybe taking the money from TT. Ahh yes...how we love the local trial-lawyer association. I think Robert Heinlein was right, with the idea that the world would be a better place with the death of all lawyers.
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Re: re-phrase
Jan 27, 2004, 01:00
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Re: re-phrase Jan 27, 2004, 01:00
Jan 27, 2004, 01:00
 
"...felt their case was better-suited to a state court, where it would avoid The United States Constitution."


""...felt their case was better-suited to a state court, where it would be more likely to make them money they will not earn nor deserve."

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Ever heard of sarcasm?
Jan 27, 2004, 00:36
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Ever heard of sarcasm? Jan 27, 2004, 00:36
Jan 27, 2004, 00:36
 
Uh, I think this was written with more than a little irony in mind.

This comment was edited on Jan 27, 00:37.
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Re: re-phrase
Jan 26, 2004, 23:22
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Re: re-phrase Jan 26, 2004, 23:22
Jan 26, 2004, 23:22
 
yeah but then it gets escalated to federal/supreme courts, where it gets tossed out as bullshit.

The system works...
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You might be unpatriotic if...
Jan 26, 2004, 22:38
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You might be unpatriotic if... Jan 26, 2004, 22:38
Jan 26, 2004, 22:38
 
...you consider fewer restrictions on the inalienable rights of others to be an exercise in leniency by the court, instead of one in stringent defense.

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Re: re-phrase
Jan 26, 2004, 22:34
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Re: re-phrase Jan 26, 2004, 22:34
Jan 26, 2004, 22:34
 
As if we needed more evidence that this Hiatian group is made up of a bunch of fucktard goofs.

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re-phrase
Jan 26, 2004, 22:19
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Jan 26, 2004, 22:19
 
"According to the Miami Herald, the Haitian group's lawyer felt their case was better-suited to a state court, where it would avoid the more lenient federal freedom-of-speech standards."

I just have to re-phrase this last part to read the way they actually mean it:

"...felt their case was better-suited to a state court, where it would avoid The United States Constitution."
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No subject
Jan 26, 2004, 22:17
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Jan 26, 2004, 22:17
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"According to the Miami Herald, the Haitian group's lawyer felt their case was better-suited to a state court, where it would avoid the more lenient federal freedom-of-speech standards."

Heaven forbid we all have free speech and are allowed to make up our own minds...

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