PC KotOR sales haven't been as hot as you seem to suggest

For a roleplaying game, it sold well enough. That it doesn't sell as much as a Sims expansion pack, pff, those things sell 58million copies a day. David Gaider seemed well pleased with the sales of KotOR for PC on their boards, but yes, obviously it didn't sell as well as it did for the Xbox (which shattered all records). However, considering that it was the work of six months to do the port for the PC version, Bioware was very pleased with the sales numbers for that selfsame PC version.

I doubt seriously that Ion Storm is going to be so pleased about their numbers...


If Thief proves anything it's that you don't need to sell well in order to get a sequel.

You will note that in my original post I specifically stated "With Eidos at the helm."
Thief 1 & 2 were made by a developer who made games to make games, not to make money. They made games because they loved it, and they wanted to make the best game possible. They didn't have an Eidos, or an EA, or any other soulless corporate wh0re breathing down their necks demanding that they churn out another million selling Half Life Clone every three months.
They made the game THEY wanted to make, knowing full well it wouldn't resonate with a lot of gamers (let's be frank here, the majority of the PC gamers is the "U SUK D00D!! LOLOLOL!!!!111!!!!!1!1!" death matching bunnyhopper counterstrike cheatwhore. Well, ok, at least a large portion is anyways. They would NEVER play something like Thief, or Deus Ex, because it's not about being Teh K1NG!!!!)

When Warren put together Ion Austin, they were like that too, but since then Ion Dalles closed, Eidos has lost a shitload of money, and I just don't think they have that luxury anymore. Their games now HAVE to sell well, and thus they cannot be these specialised niche games anymore, and thus they have to pander to the lowest common denominator.
Unfortunately for them, Ex Deus didn't even resonate with the counterstrike gimps.

Again my point is that your belief that DX is now a dead franchise because of the IW poor sales has no basis.

I have no solid evidence, no. I do have poor sales numbers, and the fact that the franchise is in the hands of Eidos for you. Put two and two together, realise we still have no sequel to Anachronox, which was fucking DESIGNED to be a two game story, and perhaps you'll see what I'm getting at...

Incorrect, when LGS died they were programming the Siege Engine which was going to power Thief 3

I should have explained that better. Yes, LGS were working on Thief 3, however, they ran out of money, and couldn't finish it, even though they desperately wanted to. Their last two games before Thief 3, IIRC, were Thief and Thief 2. Had Thief (2) sold better, LGS wouldn't have been out of money, and would have been able to finish Thief 3. Undoubtedly much better than what Ion will make of it.


If Ion Storm hadn't been developing Deus Ex : IW, do you really think they'd have picked up the Thief franchise?
Yes.

Ok, fair enough. I don't think so, but obviously the only one who really knows the truth is either Warren or some corporate Eidos wh0re.

Creston