FBI Half-Life 2 Raids

A weblog post mentioned in a Slashdot story apparently gives the account of a San Francisco native's encounter with the FBI as the fed's raided his home looking for evidence in connection with the theft of the Half-Life 2 source code (story). According to Slashdot (since the site has been, naturally enough, Slashdotted), the blog includes a scan of the FBI's search warrant. Thanks Captain Trips.
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Jan 19, 2004, 18:19
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Jan 19, 2004, 18:19
 
Lets do the "forget about right and wrong for minute" thing:

If you were a hacker of any appreciable skill willing to break federal law, wouldnt you be spending time trying to hack online Casinos and their java-based games? Why take a chance unless you stand to make a payday...

WHY I SAY?!!

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 18:18
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 18:18
Jan 19, 2004, 18:18
 
please vote bush

i love how the canadian dollar has risen like 15 cents


so are there still people that think the source code was the only reason why it was delayed and not because it wasn't even close to being finished?

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 18:11
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 18:11
Jan 19, 2004, 18:11
 
> People, please vote this year...

Yes people! Please vote this year! Just DO NOT vote for Bush!

Bush out the door in 2004!

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Jan 19, 2004, 18:05
Bob
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Jan 19, 2004, 18:05
Bob
 
No W didn't steal the code, but he did know about the theft beforehand and did nothing to stop it. (Hillary told me so).


But I hope there's a legal fund that I can donate to. I want to help valve crush this dweeb.

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 18:03
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 18:03
Jan 19, 2004, 18:03
 
I agree with Creston. If they catch the true culprits, I doubt if they'll get more that a hard slap on the wrist.

The judge will look at other circumstances like danger to society etc. I am also peeved at the fact that the code theft is the alleged reason behind the delay of HL2, but this is simply a case of lost income for the creators of HL2. No human life has been threatened. I'm sure it would not hold the same penalty as hacking the national power grid or toying with air traffic control systems.

... but then again they did delay HL2... nah roll out the electric chair!

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:58
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:58
Jan 19, 2004, 17:58
 
Bush! Yes! It was Dubya that stole the code! God, it's so obvious; why couldn't I see it before?!

/sarcasm.

Hurdy, get a life. Take your wacko political views elsewhere; this is a discussion about game code theft. The door's over there. Use it.

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Jan 19, 2004, 17:54
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Jan 19, 2004, 17:54
 PHJF
 
I'm proud to know my tax dollars are being spent accosting people that steal video games.

Bravo, America.

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:53
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:53
Jan 19, 2004, 17:53
 
No what im saying is-- Half-Life 2 no matter what was stolen will still go on to make millions and millions of dollars. --- From what i heard the game was very imcomplete and would never been able to ship last september in it's state. SUre the sorce code was stolen-- that sucks-- but they should of had tighter security features when developing such high-profile software. I blame valve just as much as the hackers.

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:50
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:50
Jan 19, 2004, 17:50
 
Please, let's not bring politics into this. That will just drop the intelligence level by 200 points.

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:47
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:47
Jan 19, 2004, 17:47
 
It's amazing that our government is spending its money and agents to find out who stole a video game code ::: When he have yet to even catch Osama Bin Laden( man responsibe for the death of thousands of people and human suffering) or other foreign terriorists. Good to know the importand things come first

Look, our government, the executive branch at least, has no intention of finding Osama. He's far too valuable in funding right-wing extremist political policies. As long as that nut is out there cousing trouble, our corrupt president can use him as a wild card for funding all sorts of personal agendas (War in Iraq anyone?).

Jeez, people condemn Clinton for lying to the American public, but Bush has lied and killed hundreds of Americans for his personal vendettas and political machinations.


People, please vote this year...

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:41
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:41
Jan 19, 2004, 17:41
 
Yeah, the bankrupt thing was supposed to be a bit of a joke. Odds are he has little money to begin with, but the attention this would bring would lead to a huge jump in cash flow.

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:39
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:39
Jan 19, 2004, 17:39
 
Beamer,

I'd forgotten about Kevin Mitnick (sorry Kev!), but he was in a league all by himself.

And while the source code theft got a lot of publicity during a time when there really was nothing else going on, I doubt seriously that anyone outside of the gaming industry even remembers it, or cared about it in the first place, so the odds of some judge actually remembering it are probably pretty low.

Odds are he'll end up bankrupt with at least a year of jailtime

Well, everyone seems to think it was just a bored teen somewhere, so bankruptcy won't bother him too much, since you can't pluck a bald chicken. And the year of jailtime I doubt seriously as well. Maybe a couple of years of probation, or three months in a minimum security resort or something. Valve will have to struggle in court just to show that they actually suffered damages from this (seriously, when the game comes out, everyone will STILL buy it, so at most they lost 6 months of salaries or so? Not counting the supposed Havok lawsuit, ofcourse)

I'm all for massive jailtime for hacking

That I will readily agree too, and I didn't want to appear as if I was against it. Any hacker, or even worse, fuckturd who writes a virus for fun, put him behind bars for 50 years with Bubba.

Creston


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Re: I thought that...
Jan 19, 2004, 17:34
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Jan 19, 2004, 17:34
 Bronco
 
reprinting/scanning warrants was a no-no. Mayhaps I am wrong.

Doesn't the smoking gun do that all the time?

The guy doesn't seem to be too concerned that they would find aything listed in the warrant.

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:31
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:31
Jan 19, 2004, 17:31
 
If he's hiding somewhere in the Dewey Decimal system you know they'll find'm!

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:29
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:29
Jan 19, 2004, 17:29
 
Son, the damn librarians should be looking for Osama - get with the program!


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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:27
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Jan 19, 2004, 17:27
 
>It's amazing that our government is spending its money and agents to find out who stole a video game code ::: When he have yet to even catch Osama Bin Laden

God, where to start. Are you suggesting that everyone in the military and law enforcement, in the United States, should be concentrating solely on capturing OBL, to the exclusion of all else? So, no investigating hit and run accidents, rape, armed robbery, tax evasion, identity theft, bicycle theft, bank robbery or jay walking? Consider this, you've just been burgled, you know who did it, you can tell the police roughly where they live, but they turn around and tell you sorry, we're too busy getting our vacinations cos we're all shipping out to Pakistan? You're happy with that?

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:24
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Re: pointless raid Jan 19, 2004, 17:24
Jan 19, 2004, 17:24
 
there are unsoved murders everyday in large cities yet cops still need to investigate a guy beating his wife, auto theft, etc.

Valve pays taxes and deserves protection under the law like any other person/entity.

WTF was your point again?

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:22
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Jan 19, 2004, 17:22
 
Yuzzem, ok, yeah, every single government employee should drop his current job and resume the search for Osama.


Hey, when a building is burning across town the librarians shouldn't be worrying about overdue books, they should be picking up fire hoses, I mean, they're government employees!

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I thought that...
Jan 19, 2004, 17:22
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I thought that... Jan 19, 2004, 17:22
Jan 19, 2004, 17:22
 
reprinting/scanning warrants was a no-no. Mayhaps I am wrong.

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Re: pointless raid
Jan 19, 2004, 17:21
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Jan 19, 2004, 17:21
 
Creston:

No precedent is mostly true, though Kevin Mitnick might beg to differ, even if his circumstances were drastically different.

Trust me, if they catch whoever did this Valve's lawyers will make certain a precedent is set. This is very, very high profile, getting picked up on by every newspaper in the country. If they find someone to pin evidence to he'll get some very, very serious punishment. Odds are he'll end up bankrupt with at least a year of jailtime. Of course, 5 years later when he's allowed back on a computer he'll be making six figures in the digital security industry.

I'm all for massive jailtime for hacking. Cost someone money and you should pay. It's stealing, plain and simple, and one of the most costly, damaging ways to do it.

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