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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 14, 2004, 16:54
nin
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 14, 2004, 16:54
Jan 14, 2004, 16:54
nin
 
By the way, do you know of any good message boards or support sites other than experts-exchange that don't charge you to ask questions.

Oh yeah:
http://www.annoyances.org ...

Their discussion forum is on the bottom left of the page, broken down by OS...

Let us know how it goes...good luck!


http://www.thecrystalmethod.com/
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 14, 2004, 13:43
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 14, 2004, 13:43
Jan 14, 2004, 13:43
 
You're not bugging me at all nin, nobody knows everything and whoever thinks they do is sorely mistaken. I was actually wondering if it may be something network related, and it looks like I will be giving this a try. I greatly appreciate your input and wish there were more people like you who just like to help others.

By the way, do you know of any good message boards or support sites other than experts-exchange that don't charge you to ask questions.

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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 14, 2004, 10:02
nin
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 14, 2004, 10:02
Jan 14, 2004, 10:02
nin
 
Is something broadcasting on your network (and slowing everything down)? Just a thought...there used to be an app called "Whats-Up" that allowed you to view network traffic, and see where it's coming from and where it's going to...

Here we go:

http://www.wsftp.com/products/network-management.html

I don't mean to keep bugging you, I just thought I might toss a few suggestions out...

edit: free trial here: http://www.wsftp.com/_download/oneform.asp?product=WG-0000


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This comment was edited on Jan 14, 10:06.
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 14, 2004, 09:42
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 14, 2004, 09:42
Jan 14, 2004, 09:42
 
We don't use an image file, most of our machines that run XP have just been upgraded from a previous OS. Although I have formatted a machine and realoaded it from scratch only to get the same results, I even went so far as to upgrade the computer with different hardware to see if that was the cause "along with another wipe and reload".

Other machines that work flawlessly with Xp are even a dead on hardware/software match.

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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 14, 2004, 09:16
nin
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 14, 2004, 09:16
Jan 14, 2004, 09:16
nin
 
If there is a memory leak, task manager sure isn't showing it. The processor is staying at 99% idle and it shows there is still over 250 megs of free system memory, I just checked it this morning. I found an article that says winXP stores portions of its OS on the pagefile after being on for a while and that this can slow things down, there's a registry tweak to disable this that I'm going to try out today.

Is your company using an image file to mass produce workstations (the company I work for does this)? What happens when you use a regular XP boot cd (MSDN subscription or something) and build a machine that way?

http://www.thecrystalmethod.com/
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 14, 2004, 08:47
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 14, 2004, 08:47
Jan 14, 2004, 08:47
 
If there is a memory leak, task manager sure isn't showing it. The processor is staying at 99% idle and it shows there is still over 250 megs of free system memory, I just checked it this morning. I found an article that says winXP stores portions of its OS on the pagefile after being on for a while and that this can slow things down, there's a registry tweak to disable this that I'm going to try out today.

I'm not sure how to take your comment about not knowing more than the other 5 guys, maybe you misworded it or you meant it to be a demeaning statement. If so, why do you feel the need to be generally rude to people you don't even know and taking it for granted everyone else is ignorant.
If it was misworded then I'm sorry and I appreciate your comments on a solution to my problem.

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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 13, 2004, 19:48
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 13, 2004, 19:48
Jan 13, 2004, 19:48
 
At least half of our machines on the network with XP have to be rebooted daily because they slow down to a crawl "like clicking on the start tab only to have it pop up 3-5 minutes later" after being on for 24 hours

Sorry, that just sounds like the XP machines are running a program with a memory leak. That in turn is usually malware, a virus, or a poorly written driver but since you're not actually the guy in the office who knows more than the other 5 guys (as I first thought), I'm sure you already know this.

Strange thing that the Home machines are working fine, the difference (on single CPU machines) between the two versions is miniscule at most...

This comment was edited on Jan 13, 19:57.
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 13, 2004, 15:29
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 13, 2004, 15:29
Jan 13, 2004, 15:29
 
Um, there's a few spyware apps that, when spybot removes them, will tear-up your TCPIP stack...new.net is notorious for this...

I've run ex-pee pro at home since they sp'd it, and it behaves fine...I reboot it about once a week...


I also remove new.net through add/remove first then let spybot remove the leftovers just in case that would happen.

Damn people, I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. j/k Thanks for the tip anyway nin.

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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 13, 2004, 13:09
nin
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 13, 2004, 13:09
Jan 13, 2004, 13:09
nin
 
and we run spybot on all machines.

Um, there's a few spyware apps that, when spybot removes them, will tear-up your TCPIP stack...new.net is notorious for this...

I've run ex-pee pro at home since they sp'd it, and it behaves fine...I reboot it about once a week...

http://www.thecrystalmethod.com/
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 13, 2004, 12:13
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 13, 2004, 12:13
Jan 13, 2004, 12:13
 
Good try Rkone,
1. We don't buy branded pc's, they are built by ourselves or built locally and we specify what parts they are to be built with.
2. All pc's run Norton Corporate 8.1 and we run spybot on all machines.

Of course getting around to 250 machines between 2 of us takes a little time when they are spread out over 12 locations around town.

I'm not bashing your precious XP, only stating my experience with the pro version. I have not ran into this problem on machines with XP Home. And we get more service calls from machines with xp than 2k because of system instability or odd\eratic behavior.

Maybe your experience with XP is good "and thats great", but it simply isn't as stable an OS as 2k in our environment. And microsoft knows of this error, it can be found on their support site "I just dont remember where".
To get the patch you have to call MS support and they will e-mail it to you, the bad part is that the patch hasn't worked on any computers with said problem.



This comment was edited on Jan 13, 12:15.
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 13, 2004, 10:22
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 13, 2004, 10:22
Jan 13, 2004, 10:22
 
I don't recall people crying like this when they retired 3.1...
The people rejoiced when they retired 3.1

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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 13, 2004, 10:10
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 13, 2004, 10:10
Jan 13, 2004, 10:10
 
NT was intended a business OS yes, but that still didn't mean that most businesses actually ran it on the average workstation. In my experience, most business computers ran 98 at the time.

The real reason why Joe off the street hasn't upgraded is that they don't care enough to spend the time or money to upgrade. Those who want to upgrade but haven't, have held back because of compatibility.

I agree 98 should be put to rest, and most people like XP, it certainly doesn't have the bad name ME has - most people praise it, sugarman is in the vast minority.

As for sugarman, if half your machines can't run XP properly, you should either
a) stop buying those $299 machines or
b) pay someone who knows how to do a virus scan/spyware cleaning/driver update.

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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 13, 2004, 09:00
nin
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 13, 2004, 09:00
Jan 13, 2004, 09:00
nin
 
No, Win2K was a replacement for all business OS's which primarily was Win98. The reason most home users didn't switch was because of software compatibility. That's still the main reason reason for people to hold off on Windows XP today, they have a Norton 2001 or Easy CD 3.5 and don't want to spend $150+ to upgrade their OS.


If they were a business, they should have been running NT4, and not 95/98. And the reason the average Joe off the street (that bought a compaq or dell with 98) hasn't upgraded is they have no idea HOW to upgrade their OS, and expect to have to take it somewhere and have someone else do it for them.

Let 98 die. It's WAY past it's usefulness at this point, compared to 2k or ex-pee...I don't recall people crying like this when they retired 3.1...

http://www.thecrystalmethod.com/
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE (Marketing!)
Jan 13, 2004, 08:57
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE (Marketing!) Jan 13, 2004, 08:57
Jan 13, 2004, 08:57
 
I may move over to the new coke when they fix it "xp pro". At least half of our machines on the network with XP have to be rebooted daily because they slow down to a crawl "like clicking on the start tab only to have it pop up 3-5 minutes later" after being on for 24 hours. As for now its win2k on all our machines, it is still more stable than xp in my opinion. I'm just glad they extended support for win2k out till 2007, maybe a real OS will be out by then.

And I've tried the beta SP2 and the fix only available from MS support, both with no sucess.


This comment was edited on Jan 13, 09:00.
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE (Marketing!)
Jan 13, 2004, 08:27
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE (Marketing!) Jan 13, 2004, 08:27
Jan 13, 2004, 08:27
 
i don't get how windows 98 is coke classic and winxp is the new coke.. i would never want to go back to windows 98.. i enjoy not having to reboot my computer every couple of hours or having constant crashes that i can't recover from. have you even used XP?

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45 hour mini disc...
Jan 12, 2004, 22:43
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45 hour mini disc... Jan 12, 2004, 22:43
Jan 12, 2004, 22:43
 
I was never a fan of the 'Net-MD' thing. This being the internet I will tell you why

When connected to a pc all a minidisk does is 'recode' and 'compress' an already compressed file (assuming mp3). So instead of being able to use a minidisk as a 120MB datadisk (which would be great btw) you get all you audio converted to atrac2. Blah, no thank you sony. Give me something that doesn't recompress what is already compressed and you have a product.

BTW: The only mp3 player I own is a good'ole Diamond Rio PMP300. The original ! Had the worst battery door ever created. Everyone I knew who had one had a broken battery door within a year of ownership ! (Also, this thing connects via a parallel cable )


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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 12, 2004, 21:54
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 12, 2004, 21:54
Jan 12, 2004, 21:54
 
Win2k is more than a replacement for NT. Not only does it support plug and play and any new versions of DirectX, but it gives home users a much more stable disk system in NTFS which is miles ahead of FAT32, IMHO.

Agreed that NTFS is much nicer than FAT32, but it was used in Windows NT

Also, Windows NT supports DirectX up to 6.0 (what win2k shipped with IIRC), Direct3D was the major addition Win2k offered (Win2k and even Win2003 Server still do not support it)

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Re: MS Support in Win98SE (Marketing!)
Jan 12, 2004, 21:46
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE (Marketing!) Jan 12, 2004, 21:46
Jan 12, 2004, 21:46
 
I don't see much support needed for win98. The only thing MS really patches is IE holes. Win95 only supports up to IE 5.5, when was the last patch released for that? As for virus protection, you need antivirus software. It's always been like that. The only major virus outbreak outside IE/Outlook is from the RPC vulnerability, and that was on win2k/xp only anyway...

I don't see the similarities between Windows XP and the new coke myself...

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Re: MS Support in Win98SE
Jan 12, 2004, 21:34
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Re: MS Support in Win98SE Jan 12, 2004, 21:34
Jan 12, 2004, 21:34
 
Looks like the e-mails worked. I mean, Win2K was brought in as a replacement for NT, which is really a server OS. And that's why people didn't switch

No, Win2K was a replacement for all business OS's which primarily was Win98. The reason most home users didn't switch was because of software compatibility. That's still the main reason reason for people to hold off on Windows XP today, they have a Norton 2001 or Easy CD 3.5 and don't want to spend $150+ to upgrade their OS.

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Jan 12, 2004, 13:50
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No subject Jan 12, 2004, 13:50
Jan 12, 2004, 13:50
 
CDs will be around for AT LEAST another 10 years...

beyond that, maybe not - but I bet they will

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