Federal GTA Lawsuit

Suit seeks to ban sales of popular video game (thanks Mike Martinez): "A lawsuit by Haitian groups that asks for the top-selling video game 'Grand Theft Auto: Vice City' to be removed from store shelves will be decided in federal court. " Also, Give Back Take Two (thanks Hump and Steve Nutley) has complaints from The New York Post about GTA, apparently making the case for how depicting violence in a game is worse than molestation: "This is 10,000 times worse than the worst thing anybody thinks Michael Jackson ever did to a little boy."
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Re: Moog Operator
Jan 2, 2004, 05:15
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Re: Moog Operator Jan 2, 2004, 05:15
Jan 2, 2004, 05:15
 
Native laws? The savages that lived in the New World didn't have a country to steal. They were barely technologically advanced above the indigenous life. Are you going to bitch them out for stealing North America from the deer and the buffalo? This is how the world works man, animals compete for resources, and the fittest wins.
.... Take an anthropology class and stop being so ignorant about non-European cultures. The ONLY technological advantage the Europeans had was gunpowder and, in most cases, metalsmithing. Remember the winners of any conflict are always the ones who write the history.

edit: wow. I've gone so way off topic. Let me fix that:

VICE CITY OWNS YOU ALL!%@#%

Fixed.
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Re: Useless crud
Jan 2, 2004, 03:39
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Re: Useless crud Jan 2, 2004, 03:39
Jan 2, 2004, 03:39
 
I will say, that I am a conservative-libertarian I was very much a socialist-liberal before that. I know both camps very well.

Try to focus more on being a human being

Damnit, I revealed my hippy, leftist self!

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Re: No subject
Jan 2, 2004, 03:22
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Re: No subject Jan 2, 2004, 03:22
Jan 2, 2004, 03:22
 
that LOL is to whoever posted the Ka Kaw line

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Re: No subject
Jan 2, 2004, 03:21
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Re: No subject Jan 2, 2004, 03:21
Jan 2, 2004, 03:21
 
LOL!

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No subject
Jan 2, 2004, 02:02
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No subject Jan 2, 2004, 02:02
Jan 2, 2004, 02:02
 PHJF
 
Hey has this guy played Manhunt yet?

To be honest, that game LOWERED my chance of ever wanting to kill somebody... I know I'm a hardcore gamer and all, but I will admit to cringing when I watched my friend playing that... Killing is bad. (Unless the victim is a right winger)

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No subject
Jan 2, 2004, 02:02
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Jan 2, 2004, 02:02
 
Eunichron, you sir are correct. *bows*

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Re: Useless crud
Jan 2, 2004, 01:50
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Re: Useless crud Jan 2, 2004, 01:50
Jan 2, 2004, 01:50
 
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Pathetic.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

We have vast right wing conspiracies, and vast left wing conspiracies. Why can't we have a vast centrist conspiracy?

There are censorship goons on all sides, and they're all idiots.

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Re: Useless crud
Jan 2, 2004, 01:08
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Re: Useless crud Jan 2, 2004, 01:08
Jan 2, 2004, 01:08
 
Yes, of course, blame it on the liberals. Anything that doesn't suit the dictates of the right-regardless of it being right or wrong-is wrong because it must be part of some vast left-wing conspiracy.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Pathetic.



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Useless crud
Jan 2, 2004, 00:55
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Useless crud Jan 2, 2004, 00:55
Jan 2, 2004, 00:55
 
I could probably turn around and say some very nasty things about liberals. But not much of a point right now, maybe later. I will say, that I am a conservative-libertarian I was very much a socialist-liberal before that. I know both camps very well. Onto the topic at hand.

Now if the average person can't draw the distinction that the NYPost article is in the liberal camp then I really can't say much, it's a rag--has been for along time. It's not any different then CNN, both exist to push a very specific type of agenda and a very specific type of view. That of trying to save the world or trying to save people from themselfs. The biggest problem is this, there are no solutions being offered just a shifting of blame. It's all 'their' fault. When someone folds and gives in, it's not good enough. Does this sound familiar to other things? Think long and hard on this.

Unfortunatly, the average reporter anymore doesn't report news in an unbiased sense. They report whatever they are told, or whatever they think 'will save the world' in which ever case and in whatever agenda that might be for them. Even at that, the average person here should be able to see that between the article itself and the reaction from the comments. I wonder why? Perhaps because it effects them personally or because it may? Interesting, I wonder if more people thought like this on more issues what the news and reporting would be like.

Might explain a few things that I'm not going to go into here, this is a gaming site and not a political forum after all. Tho this does dance on a few things after all, politics, society, etc. This in the basic sense is a special interest group trying to push an agenda, and an idiot of a reporter trying to play on the 'I support group X, because I'm trying to save the people from themselfs' Bah. Now...I really wonder...who's the funding behind this group and what lawyer is going to support them. *That* would be very interesting to see.
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Re: Moog Operator
Jan 2, 2004, 00:11
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Re: Moog Operator Jan 2, 2004, 00:11
Jan 2, 2004, 00:11
 
Native laws? The savages that lived in the New World didn't have a country to steal. They were barely technologically advanced above the indigenous life. Are you going to bitch them out for stealing North America from the deer and the buffalo? This is how the world works man, animals compete for resources, and the fittest wins.

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No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 23:49
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No subject Jan 1, 2004, 23:49
Jan 1, 2004, 23:49
 
who was the person that said this, cant remember it all...

theres comedy on tv, does that mean that commedy is being copied/mimiced on the streets too?



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Kill All Hatians?
Jan 1, 2004, 23:13
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Kill All Hatians? Jan 1, 2004, 23:13
Jan 1, 2004, 23:13
 
This whole stupid dispute is about the phrase "Kill All Haitians" appearing as a mission title in the game. These wackos getting freaked out about it are completely ignoring a little thing called context. In the game, you are hired by the Cuban gang to help fight the Haitian gang, NOT kill every single damn Haitian person in the world! Since this is your mission, the title seems fairly appropriate.

The only other titles I can think of are "Kill All the Haitian Gang Members" or "Kill All the People in Purple Shirts Who Are Shooting At You," but those titles aren't as smooth and don't roll off your toungue like "Kill All Haitians" does.


As for that 'tard at the NY Post, his description of the game is hella inaccurate. Tommy Vercetti is not a drug dealer (unless you count the Cherry Popper Ice Cream Company). The Vice City mob boss Sonny Forelli wanted to expand his horizions, and he felt that having one of his men go down to Vice City and get a good deal on some cocaine. Fresh out of prison, Tommy was roped into buying the Vice City-based Vance Brothers' cocaine by Sonny, but during the trade-off, this short asshole Cuban Ricardo Diaz's men stole both the money and the coke. Sonny was gonna kill Tommy if he didn't find the money or the coke. Tommy started looking for the coke, but in case he couldn't, he had to find ways to make money to pay back Sonny's (and he also needed money to live off of).

As for all of this "you can kill everyone in the city and nobody can stop you" BS, this dork convienently doesn't mention the brutal police, FBI, and army which come after you if you break the law (note: speeding isn't considered a crime). Also, the stuff about getting a hooker and making it with her in the back seat is wrong. Yes, you can pick up hookers, but all that happens is that your health increases and the car rocks. You and the hooker sit still in your seats through the whole ordeal. You can opt to kill the hooker afterwards and get your $200 back, but I usually don't cause a cop is often nearby.

Worst of all, this dumbass says that the main goal of the game is to kill Haitians.

I'm like most of you in how I've played violent games since when I was 9 and played DOOM, but there are only a few people I feel like hitting with a baseball bat, and Christopher Byron just made it to the top of my list. Usually journalists keep themselves unlisted in the phone book, but one of the 3 Christopher Byrons in NY I found on Switchboard.com may be him. I guess there's one way to find out.
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Put it in context!
Jan 1, 2004, 23:10
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Put it in context! Jan 1, 2004, 23:10
Jan 1, 2004, 23:10
 
Pleople should note that the killings in GTA in between criminal bands. So, there is no killing of inocent Haitians.

Its a war between bad guys from various countries. If you played GTA:VC you will know that this lawsuit is only about the money. Its a shame ...


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No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 23:05
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No subject Jan 1, 2004, 23:05
Jan 1, 2004, 23:05
 
Here's the letter I just sent to Christopher Byron and the editors of the New York Post:

Mr. Byron,

I can see how a person could be outraged or disgusted at the level of violence in Grand Theft Auto but for you to say thiat it is 10,000 times worse than the thougt of a child (little boy or girl) being molested is horrific. You have depicted to the readership of the New York Post that animated violence is a greater harm to this world than child molestation. Please do not consider this a personal attack but you should seek therapy and possibly a new career field if you believe that child molestation is more acceptable than violent video games. You have a right to your opinion but the line should be drawn at telling people real, terrible events are less harfmul to society than a violent (even if grotesquely so) video game or movie.


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Re: No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 21:06
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 21:06
Jan 1, 2004, 21:06
 
This is classic rightwing conservative propaganda, the same liars whom got gwb jr put in the presidency.
Spelling is off they arent worth looking up, rowe, safiae, alies, media research center, murdock, limbugh, oriely, hanity and foxnews.
Its a shame there are some nice rebublicans but they are so willing to believe/side/sellout to those souless lying bastards.

I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to lump people into groups like this. Most of those people are such ardent first amendment believers that they would probably defend this game more than you would, and they've probably never even played it. Not everything that's stupid can be blamed on a political belief, and both of the two major parties do stupid things. Don't try to pin something on one group or the other just to serve your own personal political beliefs. I could just as easily blame this on "leftwing nutjobs trying to take away our first amendment rights" but I won't because I realize that not everything is political. I'll blame it on ignorant people with no sense of humor.

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Re: No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 21:00
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 21:00
Jan 1, 2004, 21:00
 
My email:

Christopher Bryon,

Where does the New York Post find such drama queens such as yourself? I canno't believe you go on about a VIDEO GAME when there are true crimes happening right here in the world.

Yes the game is violent, hence the MA on the label. Face it movies are worse, more realistic, and more gruesome for the most part. The game is violent, but so is real life. If you dont want to face real life, move to another planet or something, I sure wouldn't miss you.

You make a point that you can pick up hookers and such, run over people etc. Yes you can. But you can do so in real life also!! Point is, you dont have to do those things if you dont wish to. And if underage kids are playing this, maybe, we should shift the blame over to the parents. Ever think of that?? Oh no no no...

Ok, maybe I'm being a little harsh, I just find it absolutely appalling that you say this game is worse than Michael Jackson's case.. oh god no. Murder crimes in the U.S. are going down, yet... more and more violent games are coming out. Explain that one. Games dont kill. I've been playing violent games since Doom 10 years ago, I have NEVER felt the need to kill, or even hurt ANYBODY.

Games don't kill. If anybody kills, then blames it on a video game, its obvious they are just shifting the blame from themselves. Its an easy way to get out of a case. And people like yourself do no good to make this situation any better.

-Jacob


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Re: No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 20:59
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 20:59
Jan 1, 2004, 20:59
 
In response to MOOG.

Actually this is my great grandfather. It was my great-great grandad owned slaves. *oops*

http://www.rootsweb.com/~txnavarr/biographies/j/johnson_samuel_wistar.htm

http://www.rootsweb.com/~txnavarr/markers/samuel_wistar_johnson_md/

Hardly a genocidal maniac.
Tell me, who has the better ancestors ; ) Who made more of themselves?

Here is a history of Haiti.
http://www.medalia.net/Hhistory.html

The US tried to help, but you know what? Backwards religion, superstition, and ignorance have been the biggest problems there. It's regrettable that the french exploited the black slaves, but dammit, given reason and insight they could have forged a MUCH better, more stable country. The most succesful of such nations are ones that have been taken over by a literate, educated populace. While it is regrettable what we did to the indigenous peoples here in the US, it should be noted that evidence is now pointing towards there being other, earlier civilizations. Further, you must realize that the American Indian was every bit as much a Homo Sapiens as you and I are. They were but another tribe of peoples. Some of them lived brutally, some peacefully, but they were every bit as susceptible to invasion as the ancients of England were. My ancestors, reaching very far back to the Stuarts of Scotland and England, and in turn much farther back to the anglos and the normans had to deal with the same incursions of other peoples from other lands.

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Re: No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 20:43
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 20:43
Jan 1, 2004, 20:43
 
Tell ya what - I'm glad they've decided to go ahead and take this lawsuit to federal court, because they don't have a leg to stand on, and hopefully it'll set a favorable precedent.
Fingers crossed for the First Amendment and a judge with more than 4 brain cells.

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No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 20:41
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No subject Jan 1, 2004, 20:41
Jan 1, 2004, 20:41
 
End of story.


Everyone supporting this is brainwashed and ignorant.

(I might add: everyone except those who masterminded this movement)

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Re: No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 20:11
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 20:11
Jan 1, 2004, 20:11
 
I dont mean to say I agree with this lawsuit, in fact quite the contrary, but a stupid lawsuit sure as hell does not entitle a white immigrant - which is what you are - to claim superiority over any other immigrant in your country.

Look, race-baiting. Never thought I'd see that on Blue's.

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