Federal GTA Lawsuit

Suit seeks to ban sales of popular video game (thanks Mike Martinez): "A lawsuit by Haitian groups that asks for the top-selling video game 'Grand Theft Auto: Vice City' to be removed from store shelves will be decided in federal court. " Also, Give Back Take Two (thanks Hump and Steve Nutley) has complaints from The New York Post about GTA, apparently making the case for how depicting violence in a game is worse than molestation: "This is 10,000 times worse than the worst thing anybody thinks Michael Jackson ever did to a little boy."
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Jan 1, 2004, 17:58
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Jan 1, 2004, 17:58
 
There can be no doubt that Game violence has an impact on the behaviour and attitude of *some* children. I know. I grew up with violent games and now, at the age of 25, I can state with absolute certainty that it has affected the way I think and behave.

The critical thing is that my parents also brought me up to exercise self-control, and they taught me that vioence only begets violence. Thus I, for the most part, restrain any violent thoughts I have.

I'm opposed to banning anything. Books in particular, but games also. These things contain ideas, and without ideas there would be no discussion and growth.

As has already been said, it comes down to the parents/guardians. Take some responsibly, for goodness' sake!

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Jan 1, 2004, 17:50
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 17:50
Jan 1, 2004, 17:50
 
im a gamer and I agree with the ban.... the game is boring as fuck anyways.... it only appeals to idiots that want to sit in front of the tv and pretend to rampage the city streets.... boring and dull, unless you really want to do those things.... and that even worse

Er... actually, it appeals to me, and I don't like the mindless violence. I play GTA for the missions, and then I shut it off and forget it exists until the next game comes out.

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Jan 1, 2004, 17:42
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 17:42
Jan 1, 2004, 17:42
 
I agree with dignan about the gameplay but not about banning it.. that's really dumb.

Do you think the banning will stop with GTA?

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duh
Jan 1, 2004, 17:41
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duh Jan 1, 2004, 17:41
Jan 1, 2004, 17:41
 
how people can say this about games, but allow the kind of voilence that people see in movies is quite beyond me.

Granted, there are a lot of kids that play games that are totally inappropriate for them. Who do you blame for that though? the kids, the parents, the shopsellers or the people that make the games? Obviously it's the parents and the shop owners. Deal with that problem before coming after the creaters of entertainment those over the age of 18 know how to deal with. Nuff said.

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Jan 1, 2004, 17:38
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No subject Jan 1, 2004, 17:38
Jan 1, 2004, 17:38
 
im a gamer and I agree with the ban.... the game is boring as fuck anyways.... it only appeals to idiots that want to sit in front of the tv and pretend to rampage the city streets.... boring and dull, unless you really want to do those things.... and that even worse

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Damn Haitians
Jan 1, 2004, 17:33
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Damn Haitians Jan 1, 2004, 17:33
Jan 1, 2004, 17:33
 
I'm so sick of these retards who try to get games banned because of stuff depicted in games like GTA. These people have no common sense. If you don't like the game, or what's in it, don't f**king play it! I can think of better to ways to waste my time. I guarantee that this debacle will be thrown out by the judge. As for the New York post saying a game like this is 10,000 times worse than Michael Jackson molesting a child? Give me a break! These people need to pull their heads out of whatever orifice they deemed necessary to stick their heads up in, and take the game for what it is, ENTERTAINMENT! That's all it is! I swear, some people take EVERYTHING seriously.

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Jan 1, 2004, 17:13
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 17:13
Jan 1, 2004, 17:13
 
>I will not install any patch that changes the instructions to "kill the stinkin' generic people of no discernible background".

Does kinda make you think about the number of newspaper headlines that said "f**k the French" or "f**k those french f**kers" or "those french f**kers should be shot!"

Mainly it makes you think they were right.

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Re: Yeah but...
Jan 1, 2004, 16:58
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Re: Yeah but... Jan 1, 2004, 16:58
Jan 1, 2004, 16:58
 
Blue says..
> "...than the worst thing anybody thinks Michael Jackson ever did to a little boy..."

Ack, modern editing techniques... in my day it was all using a > to show you were quoting. Not anymore though. Personally, while I despise Michael Jackson for his music, I can't believe he did anything to anybody. He just doesn't strike me as a predator. I don't think he should be allowed to raise kids, and I don't think he should be allowed to speak on an international platform. Clearly, he is a hazard to himself but I don't think it's right to blame MJ on sight. He's obviously seriously eccentric, with many issues. Freeze his assets, put his kids in to social care, advise him he's being watched 24/7 and leave it at that.

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Jan 1, 2004, 16:57
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 16:57
Jan 1, 2004, 16:57
 
That article could have been lifted straight off The Onion, it was that ridiculous.
However, I have my copy of Vice City, I will not install any patch that changes the instructions to "kill the stinkin' generic people of no discernible background". Yes, the line had potential to cause offence (and did) and yes, in retrospect they should have thought twice about including it.
But for the intended audience, Vice City is entertainment. I found the stereotypes funny, I laughed at the French special forces, the Diaz character, the fat pasty white people waddling around the beachfront. Yes, I realise kids do play games before they should, and yes that is in part down to poor parenting, that's not the point. My point is that it'll be a sad day when people have to tread stupidly carefully around ethnicity, sexuality, gender or anything else for fear of offending. There are so many successful comedies based on precisely that offensive banter - from Def Comedy Jam to As Good As It Gets! And that's what GTA is: a comedy. The notion that the graphics or gameplay are in any way realistic is just so ignorant that it defies belief.


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Re: At first I was sympathetic
Jan 1, 2004, 16:56
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Re: At first I was sympathetic Jan 1, 2004, 16:56
Jan 1, 2004, 16:56
 
I won't even comment on the NY Post story. Too easy. It's pretty typical of that right-wing nutjob Rupert Murdoch and his worthless rag anyway.

And I thought the article was full of hate. Cool it, man, will you?

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Re: Email to Christopher Byron
Jan 1, 2004, 16:54
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Re: Email to Christopher Byron Jan 1, 2004, 16:54
Jan 1, 2004, 16:54
 
Lol...I sent the guy a letter calling him a sick person for thinking up the stunt where he picks up the prostitue, has sex with her and then drives over her.

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Re: Email to Christopher Byron
Jan 1, 2004, 16:42
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Re: Email to Christopher Byron Jan 1, 2004, 16:42
Jan 1, 2004, 16:42
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Excellent letter ZigZang....kudos!

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Re: bs
Jan 1, 2004, 16:39
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Re: bs Jan 1, 2004, 16:39
Jan 1, 2004, 16:39
 
>, nor have I ever struck anyone in anger.

Seriously? I don't know anyone who can claim that - girlz N boyz included. Fuck, I still have a scar from when I suggested to a girlfriend we delay (cancel, honestly)a holiday because my aunt died. (she didn't die I just hate warm climates - apparently that makes me a bad guy. A bad scarred guy. Cool.)

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Re: Email to Christopher Byron
Jan 1, 2004, 16:37
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Re: Email to Christopher Byron Jan 1, 2004, 16:37
Jan 1, 2004, 16:37
 
I wonder how much narcotics he had to sell to afford this bullshit,

- Hhahah! Sue me

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Re: Email to Christopher Byron
Jan 1, 2004, 16:28
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Re: Email to Christopher Byron Jan 1, 2004, 16:28
Jan 1, 2004, 16:28
 
Thank you, Eric Anderson. JUST what i was thinking

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Jan 1, 2004, 16:25
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Re: No subject Jan 1, 2004, 16:25
Jan 1, 2004, 16:25
 
ROFL @ eunichron!

Personally, I have been working night and day to change the course of WWII in a variety of ultra realistic environments. Don't know why I didn't think of this before, as it should only take about 5 or 6 hours on the War's normal skill setting.

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Jan 1, 2004, 16:18
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No subject Jan 1, 2004, 16:18
Jan 1, 2004, 16:18
 
If a child has the desire to kill people, it isn't a game or movies' fault. There is something seriously mentally wrong with them. Children naturally develope general morals up until around age 5. Unless the parents are sadistic, kids know right from wrong. There is not a shread of evidence that a game can brainwash or influence a kid to go on psychotic killing spree. Nuff said.

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Email to Christopher Byron
Jan 1, 2004, 16:18
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Email to Christopher Byron Jan 1, 2004, 16:18
Jan 1, 2004, 16:18
 
This is the email that I just sent to Mr. Byron at the NYPost:

Mr. Byron:

I’m afraid that you managed to destroy any credibility you might have had in your recent anti-Grand Theft auto article titled “Give Back Take Two”. Any assertion that any video game, movie or book, no matter how offensive, deplorable or profane, could be the equal of (let alone 10,000 time worse) than child molestation is purely and unequivocally stupid and demonstrates that you have as much grasp of the cultural role of video games as prior generations parent’s had of comic books and rock ‘n roll. Furthermore, it’s obvious that you do not have children; otherwise you would see how playing GTA for 10,000 hours is nothing compared having your child endure a single instance of molestation. Perhaps you’ve not heard this before, but not all video and computer games are for children (gasp!). If you want to save the world from this insidious corruption, then you had better target movies like “The Godfather” and “Scarface” and books like “Lolita” or else all your video game evangelizing will be for naught.

Eric Anderson




ZigZang

Edit: typo

This comment was edited on Jan 1, 16:38.
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Re: Yeah but...
Jan 1, 2004, 16:07
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Re: Yeah but... Jan 1, 2004, 16:07
Jan 1, 2004, 16:07
 
What if Michael Jackson is actually innocent?

"...than the worst thing anybody thinks Michael Jackson ever did to a little boy..."
Stephen "Blue" Heaslip
Blue's News Publisher, Editor-in-Chief, El Presidente for Life
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No subject
Jan 1, 2004, 15:46
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No subject Jan 1, 2004, 15:46
Jan 1, 2004, 15:46
 
According to these people that think video games train kids to kill, I should be sufficiently trained enough to hold a job as:

1.) A pro race car driver, both on the track and street
2.) A pro pilot, in airplanes, spacecraft, and helicopters
3.) A 1930's mob lord
4.) A black ops agent for the NSA
5.) A master of various fighting styles, both martial and street
6.) A master swordsman
7.) A wizard
8.) A ruler of 15th century Europe

Man, now if only I was sufficiently taught how to create a resumé in high school.

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