Oh, you forgot the other 'mere' additions.. ah...like maybe an order of magnitude higher the poly counts, completely new LOD system, new netcode, new facial animation system, 200 ver PS 2.0 shaders (more advanced than both STALKER and Doom3), specular illumination and HDR effects, bump mapping (DOT3), the new spacial audio system... Yeah sure apart from JUST those meaningless little things, it is exactly like HL1.

It seems you're the one that's the fanboy here. I already mentioned shaders and all that other stuff is merely built on top of their existing code base. They never "rewrote the engine from scratch". That's the lie that they're perpetuating. They just piled more features onto the SAME ENGINE.

All the features you name as evidence for it being a "new engine" can easily be added to ANY decent 3D game engine. In fact many of them are components of open source projects for Quake1 or Quake2.

I never said they were nobody. I said the title wasn't going to sell well. They went with the bargain bin of game engines to save on costs.

By the way, I wouldn't rag on Valve so much if they would tell the fucking truth for once in their lives about anything.
This comment was edited on Dec 19, 10:47.

In automobile racing, DNF means Did Not Finish.

Sigh, this might become a more apt description.

I still keep wishing for the game to come out - it has a loyal following. I just hope the developers there are not getting too discouraged with the long long development time. Having just completed an 18 month, poorly managed, hell project, 'i feel their pain'.

-r.

Gandhi,

The post was a straight line of HAHHA- which skewed users of the Opera browser amongst others. It was edited to the MASTERPIECE you see today. I'm just being a concious and kind member of the "Blue's News Comment Community".

For a minute there I thought you might actually offer an intelligent argument about the evolutionary nature of the engine. Alas it was not to be. But still I must thank you for perfectly defining the expression fashionable fanboy bias.

Oh, you forgot the other 'mere' additions.. ah...like maybe an order of magnitude higher the poly counts, completely new LOD system, new netcode, new facial animation system, 200 ver PS 2.0 shaders (more advanced than both STALKER and Doom3), specular illumination and HDR effects, bump mapping (DOT3), the new spacial audio system... Yeah sure apart from JUST those meaningless little things, it is exactly like HL1.

btw- Troika are hardly nobody.
This comment was edited on Dec 19, 08:32.

Oh, in what way is Source not a new engine?

It's just the HL1 engine, with the opengl renderer removed or disabled, shaders, displacement meshes (terrain) added to their bsp version, and the Havok physics engine. Other than game-specific stuff, that's about it.

Why do you think only one company so far has liscensed it, and for a sleeper title at that? Because Valve shows it to these companies, and they laugh them out of the building and then pick up the phone and call Id or Epic. They don't publicly humiliate Valve because, first and foremost, it'd be horribly bad ettiquitte and make their own company look like jackasses in front of the entire industry, and secondly if you look at this stuff you have to sign non-disclosure agreements.

Heh, you know, if they'd mentioned "Team Fortress 2: Brotherhood in Arms" in this story the circle really would have been complete.

I'm so glad someone mentioned Daikatana. It's like deja vu all over again...

I wouldn't put Valve in anywhere near the same company as 3DRealms.

Valve certainly botched their Steam release, but at least we know they are regularly working to improve it. I'll be very surprised if it doesn't have offline play and p2p when HL2 comes out. Also WON still exists atm so there really is no problem there.

As for CZ - Value kept outsourcing the game to various companies and rejecting the mediocre results, so I can't fault them for the crap made by third parties. Who cares about old generation CS these days anyway?

In contrast to Valve, 3DRealms haven't produced a modern 3d game at all, let alone a GoTY. Duke3d was great gameplay for its time, but there can only be so much love for a 2d cliche peroxide misogynist. :p I'll admit to being impressed by the E3 video, but having to sell IP and whore mother out to maintain wages for a 7 year development cycle on a game - most of which has been wasted updating art assets and piss-farting around with engine swaps. Hard to respect that without tangible evidence of progress.

Oh, in what way is Source not a new engine?

LOL. Duke Nukem.

We all need mirrors to remind ourselves who we are. I'm no different.

"There is a Scott Dalton, who works at Legend Entertainment (Unreal 2). "

Thanks Lunchpail. Now I know where I got the name from.

What are Legend doing now? I've not been taking much notice since finally getting into U2.
They evidently have talent. They evidently know how to use the Unreal Tech. They know how to make good stuff (Wheel of Time). And, obviously, they know how to complete a friggin game... Maybe 3DR should toss Duke their way and we'll get to play it before the fourth and fifth comings of Christ.

I'm bored... no games that grab me lately. I'm this close to buying another X-Box so I can perve on digital bimbettes bashing each other silly with DOA. Indeed it's a sad state of affairs:(

I suppose I should apologise to Mr. Dalton for mixing him up with Mr. Miller. I like my comfort in having no idea what's involved in making computer games... it makes it so much easier to throw mud at companies like 3DR who can't, for want of a better term "get it up"

oh well, D3 and HL2 should hold me over.

Thanks for the many nightmares I'll no doubt have tonight...

Yeah, I'm scared that DNF may never come out too...



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"There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?" -- Dick Cavett
mocking the TV-violence debate

Thanks for the many nightmares I'll no doubt have tonight...

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Camaro -

Now THAT is priceless!

George Broussard is watching! And he LAUGHS at all of you...
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The dev team has been working very very hard over the past 8 years!
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You will be IN AWE of the lifelike AI NPC'S!
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You will DROOL over the interactive, physics-based environments!
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You will FALL IN LOVE in love all over again with drivable vehicles!
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You will THRILL to the brilliant level design!
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and of course, b[STRIPPERS!]
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*** YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF THIS GAME. ***

Oh, but try to have a Merry Christmas...
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ALWAYS BET ON DUKE!!!

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"There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?" -- Dick Cavett
mocking the TV-violence debate

"We're confident that DNF will be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, game of 1998. And this confidence is not misplaced." - Scott Miller, 1997

"Duke Nukem Forever is a 1999 game and we think that timeframe matches very well with what we have planned for the game." - George Broussard, 1998

"Trust us, Duke Nukem Forever will rock when it comes out next year." - Joe Siegler, 1999

"When it's done in 2001." - 2000 Christmas card

"DNF will come out before Unreal 2." - George Broussard, 2001

"If DNF is not out in 2001, something's very wrong." - George Broussard, 2001

"DNF will come out before Doom 3." - George Broussard, 2002

Who was it that made multiple posts about these quotes in the last 3DR thread?


-TPFKAS2S
http://www.braglio.org

"We're confident that DNF will be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, game of 1998. And this confidence is not misplaced." - Scott Miller, 1997

"Duke Nukem Forever is a 1999 game and we think that timeframe matches very well with what we have planned for the game." - George Broussard, 1998

"Trust us, Duke Nukem Forever will rock when it comes out next year." - Joe Siegler, 1999

"When it's done in 2001." - 2000 Christmas card

"DNF will come out before Unreal 2." - George Broussard, 2001

"If DNF is not out in 2001, something's very wrong." - George Broussard, 2001

"DNF will come out before Doom 3." - George Broussard, 2002

Derek "I'm So" Smart

That's priceless. Thanks, Devster.

I had forgotten about DNF. This thread is good for a laugh, but I once again won't put much more thought into DNF until I actually see it on shelves and read some reviews.

I have no idea where I got Dalton from and now I think of it, except for an average James Bond actor, I can't place the name Dalton.

There is a Scott Dalton, who works at Legend Entertainment (Unreal 2).

*shrug*