Out of the Blue

Well I played a little DOOM yesterday, but also ran into a reality check about playing multiplayer online. When all the participants in a deathmatch are using network address translation to connect to the internet, setting up a server is problematic. A little re-wiring here is required to swap between NAT networking and a straight connection where my PC has my IP address to allow for this sort of gameplay. In the meantime I keep pondering whether there's some sort of way around this without reconfiguring the network, but I can't imagine how connecting to a server that's sharing an IP through NAT could be possible.

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Linux is your solution
Dec 12, 2003, 10:56
33.
Linux is your solution Dec 12, 2003, 10:56
Dec 12, 2003, 10:56
 
Just install Linux (RedHat 9) on a PC with 2 NICs.
Then, port-forwarding is a breeze. I use it every day.
I can send you the iptables commands if you need help.
HTH

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Re: OT
Dec 11, 2003, 23:20
32.
Re: OT Dec 11, 2003, 23:20
Dec 11, 2003, 23:20
 
Ant, thanks for the thread link. I missed it entirely, and it dealt with exactly the info I was looking for. I really need to explore threads other than OotB ...

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Re: OT
Dec 11, 2003, 23:05
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Re: OT Dec 11, 2003, 23:05
Dec 11, 2003, 23:05
 
Banddirector, if you've never really played CRPGs then you'll most likely love KotOR. It's got a number of flaws that most reviews glossed over but on the whole it's a very enjoyable and cinematic experience. I'd recommend it as an introduction to CRPGs at the least.

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100% Transparent Router
Dec 11, 2003, 21:26
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100% Transparent Router Dec 11, 2003, 21:26
Dec 11, 2003, 21:26
 
As most things TCP have their roots in UNIX, you can get a pretty good handle on firewall rules to support bi-directional 100% fully transparent routing by viewing UNIX man pages. The IPFW commands are generally all you need to configure a router for trasnparent proxying. See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ipfw&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.1-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html
I've been doing what you have been doing, disconnecting the router and attaching the modem directly to an inside windows box when I want to host, but, have been thinking about a quick script to quickly let inside machines host without disconnecting my firewall. I'm not sure if the comments above re. divert and foward would do the trick, however. Divert simply send packets to a divert port on your router. Forwarding lets you forward packets to a different machine on your inside box, but, "The fwd action does not change the contents of the packet at all. In particular, the destination address remains unmodified, so packets forwarded to another system will usually be rejected by that system unless there is a matching rule on that system to capture them." I'm not sure if you can configure windows to let you accept packets bound to a different address or if you can create an alias ip address that has the same address as your router without creating some kind of conflict.
I think a more sure bet would be to enable VPN on your router. You'd simply tell your clients to create a windows vpn connection to your router (kinda like what kali does) so that as far as your hosting inside box is concerned, outside connections are on your same local network.
Not all routers support VPN (virtual private networking) however. FreeBSD supports VPN and is a great way to make use of outdated computers.
I too would be very interested in knowing if anyone's done this with just divert or forward rules in their firewall rules, without needing to config their host box to accept packets addressed to the router.

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Re: OT
Dec 11, 2003, 21:12
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Re: OT Dec 11, 2003, 21:12
Dec 11, 2003, 21:12
 
Kotor?

I've been playing Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga for the GBA

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Re: OT
Dec 11, 2003, 20:39
nin
 
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Re: OT Dec 11, 2003, 20:39
Dec 11, 2003, 20:39
 nin
 
Pellet Puppy sums it up well...the story draws you in (the fact that they set it 4000 years before the films allows them a fresh start), the gameplay is a blast, and the graphics aren't hard on the eyes, either...

I've spent hours just playing Pazaak (a card game you can play and win money - almost like blackjack, only you go to 20, and cards can be played either positive or negative). Some of the members in your party will talk to you, or each other. There's plenty of side quests to add to your time, but most of them you can say "no" to if you don't feel like helping someone. The characters speak their familiar SW dialects, with subtitles at the bottom (Hutts sound like hutts, Twilek's sound like they did in the movies, etc.)

It's not perfect - but it's close. The menus do feel a bit console-ish (no drag and drop), I didn't like the turret mini-game (horizontal mouse control felt too loose), and there is the occasional bug (I've seen one so far).

But I highly recommend it...if you think you'd like an adventure game where YOU make choices, there's a strong story, fun characters, and great graphics, I'd give it a shot. Shame there's not a demo, as I really believe it would sell the game well.


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Re: OT
Dec 11, 2003, 20:28
Ant
 
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Re: OT Dec 11, 2003, 20:28
Dec 11, 2003, 20:28
 Ant
 
banddirector: See this thread: http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=45838&boardid=1&id=135493&view=flatnew&start=0


I still haven't gotten KOTOR yet. I will probably get it tomorrow or Saturday.

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Re: OT
Dec 11, 2003, 20:14
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Re: OT Dec 11, 2003, 20:14
Dec 11, 2003, 20:14
 
That snowGlobe game was fun
This is what I liked about Kotor. You can goto a bunch of planets, choose to be good or bad, it has a D&D level system, a great story, you can read and hear!! what everyone is saying, modify your weapons/armor, it looks nice, control more than one character, and it has some fun mini-games.

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NAT Negotiation an option
Dec 11, 2003, 20:04
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NAT Negotiation an option Dec 11, 2003, 20:04
Dec 11, 2003, 20:04
 
Newer games (such as Halo PC) use NAT negotiation schemes to connect to games hosted behind NATs when everyone is NAT'd. Check out STUN for an example of a more formal protocol specification.

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OT
Dec 11, 2003, 19:20
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OT Dec 11, 2003, 19:20
Dec 11, 2003, 19:20
 
O.K. guys, I've seen so many of you slobbering over KOTOR that my interest is piqued; is it really that good? Would an avid FPS fan be able to get into an RPG game like this? I've never played an RPG and they don't sound all that appealing, but geez, so many of you have written such positive things about KOTOR I just gotta know - - what's the appeal?

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Re: Bleu...
Dec 11, 2003, 18:14
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Re: Bleu... Dec 11, 2003, 18:14
Dec 11, 2003, 18:14
 
Heh, yeah I had a good laugh when I saw it. "See him bend over backwards for special interests", almost made me piss my pants laughing.
If you can't make fun of someone like Dumbya, who can you make fun of?


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"And then, suddenly and without warning, it turned into a real-life case of hungry, hungry hippos."
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Re: Bleu...
Dec 11, 2003, 18:09
nin
 
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Re: Bleu... Dec 11, 2003, 18:09
Dec 11, 2003, 18:09
 nin
 
Halsy, here's one response you link got after it was passed around my work...

That's great!!! Where do I get one? I want one so I can put it in the backyard to look for Osama ben Ladin. That way he can find a squirrel and convince everyone that the squirrel is the real problem and alleges it to have acorns with diazinon cores that will be referred to as nuts of mass destruction and a threat to the neighborhood.



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21.
 
Do you realize...
Dec 11, 2003, 16:20
21.
Do you realize... Dec 11, 2003, 16:20
Dec 11, 2003, 16:20
 
Thanks to those researchers, I can now claim that I can move FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!! (if but for a fraction of a second)

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Future of Bluesnews
Dec 11, 2003, 16:05
20.
Future of Bluesnews Dec 11, 2003, 16:05
Dec 11, 2003, 16:05
 
This is whats going to happen to this site:

copy paste this

"http://www.bluesnews.com%00@ugo.com"


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Re: Bleu...
Dec 11, 2003, 16:03
nin
 
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Re: Bleu... Dec 11, 2003, 16:03
Dec 11, 2003, 16:03
 nin
 
Best toy available for Xmas this year! Woot!

http://www2.warnerbros.com/madmagazine/files/onthestands/ots_437/6.html


THAT is CLASSIC! Whoo-hoo!



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18.
 
Bleu...
Dec 11, 2003, 15:48
18.
Bleu... Dec 11, 2003, 15:48
Dec 11, 2003, 15:48
 
for the love of all things holy, please get rid of that damn Emode pop-up!

Best toy available for Xmas this year! Woot!

http://www2.warnerbros.com/madmagazine/files/onthestands/ots_437/6.html


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Snow Globe...
Dec 11, 2003, 15:21
Ant
 
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Snow Globe... Dec 11, 2003, 15:21
Dec 11, 2003, 15:21
 Ant
 
This game reminds me of Marble Madness.

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Blue...
Dec 11, 2003, 15:10
Ant
 
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Blue... Dec 11, 2003, 15:10
Dec 11, 2003, 15:10
 Ant
 
Which DOOM did you use? jDoom?

As others say, just tell the router to forward ports. Not hard.

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Port Forward
Dec 11, 2003, 15:08
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Port Forward Dec 11, 2003, 15:08
Dec 11, 2003, 15:08
 
Blue, Just forward what ever ports doom uses to your computers IP address. Say the port is 58 and your computers ip is 192.168.1.5. Just go to the port forward setup on your router and tell it to forward port 58 to 192.168.1.5.
Then any thing on prot 58 will go to that ip.


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!
Dec 11, 2003, 14:53
14.
! Dec 11, 2003, 14:53
Dec 11, 2003, 14:53
 
Merry Christmas.. You win! God, where is my cinema? I should be proclaimed god for winning an 8 level snowglobe maneuvering game.

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