These first person shooter videogames really teach kids how to stalk and how to maim and torture and kill people

Exactly how do they do so? I haven't seen one bit of scientific proof that games teach children to commit violent acts.

Guess little Billy can't play that brutal Chex Quest game anymore. He might go on an alter-dimension zapping spree.

Is this the part where everyone freaks out about how an 8 year old should be able to buy Soldier of Fortune 2 without anyone else knowing or caring?

The statement that games make people more violent is inaccurate; in studies, playing games has proven to make people more overtly agressive, not violent. Incidentally, it isn't necessarily a bad thing, since aggressiveness can also mean assertiveness. Either way, it's flawed logic. Playing games in a hyper-real environment doesn't make me a better killer or a more accurate marksman in real life.

Well damn, I must be the best god damned killer in the world. After all those FPS games I have played, I apparently have learned how to kill, MAIM AND TORTURE people and have no concience what so ever...

better draw myself a line here....

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Really though, don't they ever get tired of this?


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Splinter Cell taught me how to infiltrate foreign installations and assassinate world leaders without being detected. That recent coup (although non-violent) in Georgie was all me.

....so it is okay to:

Brainwash kids into following a certain church and tell them if they dont do as they are told they are going to go to a place where they will burn in eternal damnation.

Teach children that Thanksgiving is about the pilgrims and indians getting together and having a peace feast.

Sell sugar and caffine loaded drinks to them, cuz you know all that shit is good for them.

Sell sugar loaded cereals to them and post a cute cartoon character on them and throw cheap ass toys in the boxes.

"Happy meals", 'nuff said.

Make 30 minute cartoons that have no more than 30 animation cells and 5 backgrounds per 10 episodes used in different combinations that sell cheap ass little cards. Hey, kids are stupid and they dont know any different, right? Give me an 85 episode space opera over a bunch of lazily drawn "monstors" any fucking day.




All these things that are just so great for kids but you know games like GTA where kids are taught the ways of stealing cars and helicopters or games where they are taught how to storm a beach in normandy or kill off an elite counter-terrorist team that trains for years are EXTREMELY bad for them.

I wonder what these puds think about Americas Army...

I blame Looney Tunes, ever since I was a kid I have had the urge to draw large targets in the road and wait to see if anyone stops there. When they do, I would be waiting above where I would drop a huge Acme Anvil on their head from way up high.


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I blame Looney Tunes, ever since I was a kid I have had the urge to draw large targets in the road and wait to see if anyone stops there. When they do, I would be waiting above where I would drop a huge Acme Anvil on their head from way up high.

Is this the part where everyone freaks out about how an 8 year old should be able to buy Soldier of Fortune 2 without anyone else knowing or caring?

I think it's a good idea to make some effort to put choice back into parents hands. If a parent has no problem with little Billy playing Soldier of Fortune they can damn well go down to the store and buy it for him.

However, there are two problems with these proposed laws:

A second bill would require video game retailers to separate children's games from adult games.

This could unfairly penalize game companies, depending on how its implemented. I'm sure Mr. Yee would love it if the "Adult" games were kept in a dark back room behind a heavy curtain or under the counter. We don't put alcohol in an "Adult" section of the supermarket.

keep minors from purchasing first shooter videogames, where players need to kill in order to advance.

This is the most troubling. Calling all "first shooter" videogames adult. In DXIW presumably you can advance through the game without killing a soul. Can you do this in Grand Theft Auto too? Let's just rely on our existing rating system and enforce it at point of sale. Nobody's First Amendment rights are trampled on by some individual's inflated sense of moral outrage.

I know this guy, I know his type. Once, before going back home for Christmas, I stopped off in a neighborhood toy store to pick up some cheap plastic dart guns and squirt guns for my brothers and sisters and me (we're all growned up but dart gun fights are kind of a Christmas tradition in our house). I ask the lady behind the counter if she had any, and the sneering look of smoldering disdain she gave me was unbelievable. "We don't sell ... GUNS in this store," she said before turning her back on me.

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Another fuck ass Democrat without any kind of program to stick to, decides to rag on videogames some more.

The thing is, I'm actually a proponent of curtailing access to SOME videogames to minors, however, it's not because "These first person shooter videogames really teach kids how to stalk and how to maim and torture and kill people", which is total bullshit.

But, when I see that ALL the kids in my wife's seventh grade class (which is, what, age 12-14 or so?) have played Vice City, you know that something is going wrong with the rating system somewhere.

Creston

Ahhh it must be another election year!! all these guys have to find something to yell and scream and get attention and MONEY about. Sure glad Im over 50.. instead of banning games lets ban war and real guns and bombs and nukes.. naaaa too much money being made.

Violent games reduce violent crime cause instead the adolescents are at home doing it virtually, instead of for real. So Duh that'll reduce violence. We need to make a distinction between real violence and fake violence.

"Buying Violent Video Games"

I'm not a rocket scientist, buuut how can a VIDEO GAME be Violent?? There's probably a police report somewhere that says "Assault: By a Video Game"

I live in the SF Bay area, and i think we gotta put this into context. Just this past couple years, a group of teenagers, who were all big fans of GTA, went on a large spree where they murdered 5 people, held up dozens of people at gun point, and so forth.

http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/2/211043.shtml

Here's the only article i could find right away, but if you dig further you'll
find that the spree of theirs was pretty damn large in scale. Probably
the biggest thing like this in the country I bet.

Personally I love Day of Defeat, but I don't really think I need it to be
violent to enjoy it. maybe I"ve killed SO many people that i've gotten
bored of that aspect and just want to be challenged in tactical ways. heh heh

Oh how original. Violent games = violent people. Never saw the connection there..sheesh.

Games don't make me violent but know-nothing pricks talking about a subject matter they don't understand (but fear) does

"Leading the fight for original WASD gaming"

You'll pardon me if I don't take a right-wing news website at face value, particularly one that has a picture of Charlton Heston off to the left (ironic, no?).

If videogames made people violent, we would logically expect to see an increase in violent crime over the past, say, 10 years, right? Hate to break it to you, and I invite you to hit www.fbi.gov to see for yourself, but violent crime has actually DIMINISHED. So much for the murder training programs.

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"Leading the fight for original WASD gaming"

Oh, the horror.
I used QWER before that crap was even invented. WASD is like second worst to arrow keys.

on topic: I think 10year olds will quickly find some pr0n financed gambling sites with links to whatever warez they want. So much for censorship.



Red Orchestra http://www.unrealwarfarex.com/redorchestra/ Best. game. ever.

I actually have a better idea. Why not ban all first person shooter games, EXCEPT those in which you play a brave American soldier, out to kill him some dirty terrorist A-rabs.

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Its amazing that you can on hand try to ban PFS games, and on the other try to push 18 year old kids into the Army, brainwash them with fake partiotism and delusions of grandeur and send them to fight some war overseas.

So, according to them, when I'm 17 years old, I shouldn't be able to play a GAME in which I hold a gun. But, a year later, I should be able to OWN a gun. Pathetic.

damn QWER gamers...



How the hell do you play with QWER anyways?