When I see this kind of drivel it just reminds me of the past…
Books where evil, then radio, then TV, then video, now games…
My guess next up is the “next big thing”, maybe holo-videos or something.

Again I say, parents should not police their kids, they should give their kids and example to look up to. If you provide a bad example, or no example at all, than no amount of policing will stop the kid from doing bad things. But if you show them how to be a good person through your own actions, then no amount of bad influence will turn them astray.

See the point? Whats needed is not a lack of negative influence, its an adundance of positive.

I like the idea, but it's somewhat flawed. I know any number of people (not least my brother) who have had an exemplary example from parents, but have been led astray by bad influences. It happens, whether you like it or not. And that's why parents need to police the activities of their chilren.

Then STOP ELECTING THEM!

Like that stopped George W Bush

“These first person shooter videogames really teach kids how to stalk and how to maim and torture and kill people,” Yee said. “That’s not what we should be doing for our kids.”


I have to ask has Leland Ye ever met a child?

Why not address the bigger issue on gun control instead of bandwagon jumping the annual TV/Movies/Music/Games distort your mind!

The government should not be able to decide for us what the children in our society what they can or cannot play.

Then STOP ELECTING THEM!

Yes if ppl would only sell games to intended audience & educate parents, maybe we could have a better online experience.

CS is rated 16+ here, yet you see kiddies of 12 years or less playing it & more often than not they ruin the game for the others by doing everything exept what they should be doing ...before commercial release ( around beta 3 - 4 ) average age was around 18-35 for CS (and it showed teamplaywise), tho now it's more like 11-16 i'd guess (and it shows too) :-(

I'm not saying all 13 year olds suck, but a vast majority just don't have the reflection/strategy it takes to work quickly & efficiently "together" with team members.

In anycase, id rather buy my little brother (12years) games like tony hawks or grand turismo, rather than quake, cs & co...

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"#1) It's lo, not low.

#2) What philosophy is that? Balanced economy, lots of jobs, curtailing corporate welfare and fraud, fair taxation, curtailing pork barreled military-industrial complex waste, no war, et cetera? Yeah, sounds horrible to me.

#3) The religious right are associated with Republicans because they are both bigots and hypocrites by nature.

Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. The only thing the left is intolerant of is intolerance."

He's an idiot, but so are you, way to generlize everything. Lets be totally by the book shall we?
And look, I can make up definitions too...
Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. The only thing to do now is shut the hell up.

Whatever the majority chooses is the right way. Get over it.


So when the majority chose segregation in the U.S., that was right?

The government should not be able to decide for us what the children in our society what they can or cannot play. I personaly dont see anything wrong with FPS's and the such. Sure they all involve killing various types of enemies, but just look at the type they kill. That is where people are blind. They see violence in killing someone, but games like Rainbow six, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor and even Jedi Academy... What do all these games have in common other than enemies being killed? The battle between GOOD and EVIL. I myself am 27 and an avid gamer and have been since before i could comprehend what it was all about and I havent played many games where I was the bad guy., The games that let you take out terrorists, Nazis, demons, I say we need more games like these. Screw what any government official says.

Im not sure voting has anything to do with it, its fairly obvious that Democracy can and is being subverted by capitalism and selfserving politcial groups not intrested in the betterment of socity or humanity but there own pocket at least here in the US.

Actually it takes more than parents to help kids understand socity and morals, especially during teenage years. It could be done with small grants for places like Big Brother, YMCA and just like they teach kids to play together sports well, now that Video games are bigger than movies, books so will surpass sports (my oppinon), its is more important than ever that it be intergraded, educational level somewhere.

Personaly I wouldnt give a kid under 12 a super violent game.
I really DONT like our government enticing kids to play a goverment funding war game, so they think its cool to join the military so they can go kill people. Im not saying all the kids feel that way but some do and its not right, the kids are to young to know better.

Whatever the majority chooses is the right way. Get over it.

Again I say, parents should not police their kids, they should give their kids and example to look up to. If you provide a bad example, or no example at all, than no amount of policing will stop the kid from doing bad things. But if you show them how to be a good person through your own actions, then no amount of bad influence will turn them astray.

See the point? Whats needed is not a lack of negative influence, its an adundance of positive.

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After observing teens and their parents for the last 20 years as a teacher, here's what it's all about (and I apologize up front for all you who have already figured this out):

1) Parents who have an active, caring role in their kid's lives will mostly produce kids who are well adjusted, regardless of what violence the kids are exposed to.

2) The % of parents who have an active, caring role in their kid's lives becomes less and less every year.

It's sad but true ...

It's time to test how well my years of FPSing have trained me as a killer. The assasination game where I live is starting up at midnight tonight.

My water guns are loaded and ready.

Hmmm.. Perhaps the government needs to make a new regulatory commission to watch over children. It should be called "Parents" These people would live in the home of the minors and watch over what they do and help enforce a set standard of living that dictates right from wrong. While they could not catch all things the children and minors take part in, they should provide a guide to help the child filter right from wrong and separate reality from what they see in a video game.

But that's just a crazy notion on my part..

"People Assigned Regulatory Education Needed by Teenagers and Siblings"

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1. I do not think books/movies/games/whatever are inherently bad, but there is a question of what type of society makes such violent material. In gaming, there is an infinite amount of possibilities...yet we end up killing and shooting stuff the majority of the time.

2. People do have some type of need of basic direction, in my opinion. If everything falls back on the "Why don't people just do it themselves?" argument, why do we have things such as police, laws, traffic lights, rules, etc. That is not to say there is no room for fine tuning nor am I saying this applies to the current argument, but I do think we as a whole still lack the full ability to just be on our own.

Having played games from my earliest years, but hardly a violent person,
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Low and Behold, Democrat and his political philosophy is more liberal than your average Dem at that.

#1) It's lo, not low.

#2) What philosophy is that? Balanced economy, lots of jobs, curtailing corporate welfare and fraud, fair taxation, curtailing pork barreled military-industrial complex waste, no war, et cetera? Yeah, sounds horrible to me.

#3) The religious right are associated with Republicans because they are both bigots and hypocrites by nature.

Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. The only thing the left is intolerant of is intolerance.


"Physical reality is consistent with universal laws. Where the laws do not operate, there is no reality."
- Mr. Spock

I think that in the total absence of willing self-regulation, there ought to be a restriction on minors. Of course, this will tend to force game makers to make less violent games in general, so they can get the business.

So what? There will still be some games made for grownups. We older people shouldn't suck the blood of the young just so we can play more of our games.

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DID I mention I was drunk. Hmmmm, Actually I didn't even read the post, hope I'm on the right subject.

Friends don't let friends drink and post, Tony!!! Hand over the keys to your computer. It's for your own good.



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And since when do people magically become able to withstand gore and violence when they turn 17? I'm quite sure Mr. Yee has seen some R-rated violent movies in his day. He's probably even played a videogame. Did these movies turn him into a human killing machine? No. It's not going to be any different with kids.

I have in my MST3K collection a movie called Bloodlust that was filmed in the late 50's (stars Robert Reed from Brady Bunch I might add)... and I'd say it was particularly gruesome for its time. Hell, I could pick out any number of violent movies stretching back to when movies were first made. Where was the outrage then?

Before video games it was rock music that got a bad rap. I remember when Judas Priest was on trial because a fan killed himself. I remember when Tipper Gore was leading a crackdown on explicit lyrics. Elvis was banned because his antics onstage were 'too sexual'. And before that it was comic books that got a bad rap... more specifically crime and horror comics. This kind of 'outrage' keeps happening over and over again with no end in sight. When will people learn?

Obviously the media knows it can cash in on violent material, but censoring everything is not the answer. If parents don't want to take responsibility for raising their kids and blame everything else then this crap will never end.

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