FPS Games & Minors

Bay Area Lawmaker Wants to Keep Minors from Buying Violent Video Games (thanks HomeLAN Fed) has word of an effort in the Bay Area to curtail minors' access to violent video games that would classify all first-person shooters as adult only by their very nature. Here's a bit:
Assemblyman Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) plans to introduce legislation this week that would keep minors from purchasing first shooter videogames, where players need to kill in order to advance.

“These first person shooter videogames really teach kids how to stalk and how to maim and torture and kill people,” Yee said. “That’s not what we should be doing for our kids.”

Yee is also a child psychologist, and he said, it is time to “draw the line.”

The bill would penalize retailers and other stores that sell the games to anyone under the age of 17. A second bill would require video game retailers to separate children's games from adult games.
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Yawn
Nov 30, 2003, 16:20
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Another fuck ass Democrat without any kind of program to stick to, decides to rag on videogames some more.

The thing is, I'm actually a proponent of curtailing access to SOME videogames to minors, however, it's not because "These first person shooter videogames really teach kids how to stalk and how to maim and torture and kill people", which is total bullshit.

But, when I see that ALL the kids in my wife's seventh grade class (which is, what, age 12-14 or so?) have played Vice City, you know that something is going wrong with the rating system somewhere.

Creston

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Agreed
Nov 30, 2003, 16:06
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Nov 30, 2003, 16:06
 
Is this the part where everyone freaks out about how an 8 year old should be able to buy Soldier of Fortune 2 without anyone else knowing or caring?

I think it's a good idea to make some effort to put choice back into parents hands. If a parent has no problem with little Billy playing Soldier of Fortune they can damn well go down to the store and buy it for him.

However, there are two problems with these proposed laws:

A second bill would require video game retailers to separate children's games from adult games.

This could unfairly penalize game companies, depending on how its implemented. I'm sure Mr. Yee would love it if the "Adult" games were kept in a dark back room behind a heavy curtain or under the counter. We don't put alcohol in an "Adult" section of the supermarket.

keep minors from purchasing first shooter videogames, where players need to kill in order to advance.

This is the most troubling. Calling all "first shooter" videogames adult. In DXIW presumably you can advance through the game without killing a soul. Can you do this in Grand Theft Auto too? Let's just rely on our existing rating system and enforce it at point of sale. Nobody's First Amendment rights are trampled on by some individual's inflated sense of moral outrage.

I know this guy, I know his type. Once, before going back home for Christmas, I stopped off in a neighborhood toy store to pick up some cheap plastic dart guns and squirt guns for my brothers and sisters and me (we're all growned up but dart gun fights are kind of a Christmas tradition in our house). I ask the lady behind the counter if she had any, and the sneering look of smoldering disdain she gave me was unbelievable. "We don't sell ... GUNS in this store," she said before turning her back on me.

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I blame...
Nov 30, 2003, 15:56
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Nov 30, 2003, 15:56
 
I blame Looney Tunes, ever since I was a kid I have had the urge to draw large targets in the road and wait to see if anyone stops there. When they do, I would be waiting above where I would drop a huge Acme Anvil on their head from way up high.
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I blame...
Nov 30, 2003, 15:56
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I blame... Nov 30, 2003, 15:56
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I blame Looney Tunes, ever since I was a kid I have had the urge to draw large targets in the road and wait to see if anyone stops there. When they do, I would be waiting above where I would drop a huge Acme Anvil on their head from way up high.


(Sorry, double clicked and it double posted and cant delete one of them)


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Hhhmm...
Nov 30, 2003, 15:56
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Hhhmm... Nov 30, 2003, 15:56
Nov 30, 2003, 15:56
 
....so it is okay to:

Brainwash kids into following a certain church and tell them if they dont do as they are told they are going to go to a place where they will burn in eternal damnation.

Teach children that Thanksgiving is about the pilgrims and indians getting together and having a peace feast.

Sell sugar and caffine loaded drinks to them, cuz you know all that shit is good for them.

Sell sugar loaded cereals to them and post a cute cartoon character on them and throw cheap ass toys in the boxes.

"Happy meals", 'nuff said.

Make 30 minute cartoons that have no more than 30 animation cells and 5 backgrounds per 10 episodes used in different combinations that sell cheap ass little cards. Hey, kids are stupid and they dont know any different, right? Give me an 85 episode space opera over a bunch of lazily drawn "monstors" any fucking day.




All these things that are just so great for kids but you know games like GTA where kids are taught the ways of stealing cars and helicopters or games where they are taught how to storm a beach in normandy or kill off an elite counter-terrorist team that trains for years are EXTREMELY bad for them.

I wonder what these puds think about Americas Army...

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No subject
Nov 30, 2003, 15:54
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Nov 30, 2003, 15:54
 
Splinter Cell taught me how to infiltrate foreign installations and assassinate world leaders without being detected. That recent coup (although non-violent) in Georgie was all me.

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whoa!
Nov 30, 2003, 15:49
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whoa! Nov 30, 2003, 15:49
Nov 30, 2003, 15:49
 
Well damn, I must be the best god damned killer in the world. After all those FPS games I have played, I apparently have learned how to kill, MAIM AND TORTURE people and have no concience what so ever...

better draw myself a line here....

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Really though, don't they ever get tired of this?


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It's misleading
Nov 30, 2003, 15:48
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It's misleading Nov 30, 2003, 15:48
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The statement that games make people more violent is inaccurate; in studies, playing games has proven to make people more overtly agressive, not violent. Incidentally, it isn't necessarily a bad thing, since aggressiveness can also mean assertiveness. Either way, it's flawed logic. Playing games in a hyper-real environment doesn't make me a better killer or a more accurate marksman in real life.

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Question
Nov 30, 2003, 15:42
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Nov 30, 2003, 15:42
 
Is this the part where everyone freaks out about how an 8 year old should be able to buy Soldier of Fortune 2 without anyone else knowing or caring?

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Chex Quest
Nov 30, 2003, 15:42
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Chex Quest Nov 30, 2003, 15:42
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Guess little Billy can't play that brutal Chex Quest game anymore. He might go on an alter-dimension zapping spree.

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lol
Nov 30, 2003, 15:39
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lol Nov 30, 2003, 15:39
Nov 30, 2003, 15:39
 
These first person shooter videogames really teach kids how to stalk and how to maim and torture and kill people

Exactly how do they do so? I haven't seen one bit of scientific proof that games teach children to commit violent acts.

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