New ATI CATALYST Drivers

The ATI Drivers & Software Page (thanks Ant) now offers downloads of new version 3.9 CATALYST reference drivers for ATI accelerators. The release notes have the details on what's new or changed.
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Nov 5, 2003, 16:21
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Nov 5, 2003, 16:21
 
Methinks the days when driver releases were big deals that bagged you a 10% boost in performance are over.

The only reason to be excited about new drivers nowadays is the possibility of fixing bugs or adding support for some game coming out next year.

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Nov 5, 2003, 16:35
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Did you ever get a copy of that Troopers Unreal mod?


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Nov 5, 2003, 16:37
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Nov 5, 2003, 16:37
 
fuck this and all future catalyst drivers...
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Nov 5, 2003, 16:40
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man ATi runs some FAST servers

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Nov 5, 2003, 16:49
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Nov 5, 2003, 16:49
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Methinks the days when driver releases were big deals that bagged you a 10% boost in performance are over.

... and thank God for that. I never understood why people think these performance boosts are such a great deal. Driver performance boosts come from one of two methods:
  • Fixing slow code - this isn't a performance boost, this is performance being robbed from you before the drivers come out
  • Decreasing image quality, ie. cheating. Both the big boys have been guilt of this

I'm sure ATi will release performance increasing drivers at some point as there is sure to be optomizations to be made (I'm assuming they won't cheat again) but that won't be a free performance boost, that will be a free performance decrease until that point.

I see these improve FS2004 - another free bug they've decided to remove. At last!

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Nov 5, 2003, 16:56
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Nov 5, 2003, 16:56
 
I have learned that unless huge performance increases are guaranteed, to not upgrade my video drivers unless necessary (i.e. game bug fixes). Bad experiences, y'know. I'm still using the 3.7 Cats

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Nov 5, 2003, 16:57
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these drivers broke my computer

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Nov 5, 2003, 17:11
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Nov 5, 2003, 17:11
 
Help! The 3.9 drives broke my games! How do I go back to 3.7?

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Nov 5, 2003, 17:13
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yo... care to explain?
or are you just bs'ing

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Nov 5, 2003, 17:30
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Nov 5, 2003, 17:30
 
Ack! Serious problems keeping my computer from locking up with these bad boys. I'm running on 'em right now...but I'm still not confident yet. Gotta hunt up the 3.7 that I was running now, just in case.

If anyone was wondering its on a 9800 Pro, no OCing.

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Nov 5, 2003, 17:52
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Nov 5, 2003, 17:52
 
Did you ever get a copy of that Troopers Unreal mod?

Yup, finally... no time to play it though... X_X

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Nov 5, 2003, 18:12
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Nov 5, 2003, 18:12
 
Ah, cool.. and not so cool. I havn't tried it yet either.


1) these drivers broke my computer

2) Help! The 3.9 drives broke my games!

Gimme a break..

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Nov 5, 2003, 18:14
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Nov 5, 2003, 18:14
 
Driver performance boosts come from one of two methods:
# Fixing slow code - this isn't a performance boost, this is performance being robbed from you before the drivers come out

Huh? That doesn't make sense. If a driver fixes slow code, then that's a performance boost. That is a good thing.

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Nov 5, 2003, 18:17
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Nov 5, 2003, 18:17
 
John stop being so critical.
I installed 3.9 and now Jedi Outcast and PlanetSide freeze when ever I start them. All I'm asking is how to go back to 3.7

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Nov 5, 2003, 18:24
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Nov 5, 2003, 18:24
 Ant
 
For those who have problems, did you guys uninstall the old driver and reboot before installing the new one? Don't upgrade, do a clean driver install.

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Nov 5, 2003, 18:26
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Nov 5, 2003, 18:26
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It kind of makes sense. In a cruel sort of pessimistic way. Obviously this guy has never tried really hard to optimize code himself. Given a certain amount of time and resources, you do the best you can. Given additional time and/or resources, it is possible to make improvements. I certainly wouldn't view it as "performance being robbed from you before the drivers come out" unless the drivers when you get the card are substandard compared to their peers... or if the company uses the drivers to deliberately hold back on performance, which is unlikely given the current state of competition.

Gamers need to learn to give these driver writers a little bit of a break. It's got to be one of the most difficult programming tasks there is, in a constantly changing environment, and the measurement of their success is heavily dependent upon decisions made by programmers at other companies (the game developers.) I'm not saying the drivers don't have to be good, they do, but expecting perfection on day 1 (in terms of performance) is unreasonable. If anything, they should be compromising for stability and compatibility at first, and then carefully working on performance optimizations.

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Nov 5, 2003, 18:28
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Hmmmm...there is one way to fix your problem. Get a Nvidia card.



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Nov 5, 2003, 18:36
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McNublet: NVIDIA and other brands have their own problems too. :>

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Nov 5, 2003, 18:51
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I'm going to wait for Firingsquad to do their customary review of these drivers and then look at them again. I'm running 3.8's now and no problems on my games.

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Nov 5, 2003, 18:55
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I TOLD YOU THESE DRIVERS SUCK GOAT TESTIBALLS!!!!


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