On Half-Life 2

A pair of articles have popped up with analysis of the recent revelation of the leak of some Half-Life 2 source code and the underground appearance of a playable build of Valve's upcoming shooter sequel. What's Next for Half-Life 2 on GameSpy.com and Turning The Valve Off on HomeLAN Fed offer separate discussions of the situation, each offering reflections from various developers on the news, discussions of security concerns, and more.
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Re: The File Dates
Oct 15, 2003, 21:22
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Re: The File Dates Oct 15, 2003, 21:22
Oct 15, 2003, 21:22
 
they incorporated it into their engine and in no way have any obligations to either companies when "purposely leaking" the source code. At the absolute most Valve will loose money. What exactly do you think they do when they liscence the engine to another company? There would be lawsuits left right and centre of you had your way.

Wrong. When the Quake source code was released to the public, it could not be compiled because the Miles Sound System was removed.

I can't even think of 3 games where source code was released (intentionally or not), I don't see how you're getting "lawsuits left right and centre".

Maybe you can name some companies that have released the source code to Havok and/or MSS?

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Re: anonymous leaker speaks
Oct 15, 2003, 13:36
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Re: anonymous leaker speaks Oct 15, 2003, 13:36
Oct 15, 2003, 13:36
 
The flick is "The American President". Great movie...and nice reference!

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 14, 2003, 21:35
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Re: The File Dates Oct 14, 2003, 21:35
Oct 14, 2003, 21:35
 
RKone, you do realise that when Valve purchased the code, they incorporated it into their engine and in no way have any obligations to either companies when "purposely leaking" the source code. At the absolute most Valve will loose money. What exactly do you think they do when they liscence the engine to another company? There would be lawsuits left right and centre of you had your way.

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 12, 2003, 00:34
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Re: The File Dates Oct 12, 2003, 00:34
Oct 12, 2003, 00:34
 
You know, the companies they purchased code from to use with the HL2 engine. I'm sure part of the deal was that they won't let everyone have a free copy...

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 11, 2003, 19:21
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Re: The File Dates Oct 11, 2003, 19:21
Oct 11, 2003, 19:21
 
REally? What lawsuits? From whom?

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 11, 2003, 10:51
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Re: The File Dates Oct 11, 2003, 10:51
Oct 11, 2003, 10:51
 
If Valve was caught leaking the source code, they'd be open to lawsuits from the miles sound and havok engine designers. That's quite a risk they'd be taking just for some more publicity...

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 11, 2003, 10:20
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Re: The File Dates Oct 11, 2003, 10:20
Oct 11, 2003, 10:20
 
This can be used to create some aspects of the game, but it cannot, repeat cannot be used to create a game in its current state because there is too much missing information.

I'm glad I've convinced you that the game isn't ready.

The most recent filedates for the source is 9/13/03, so it's not exactly old, just over a week older than the material. It would take a while to determine how far the source code is, but just by looking at the levels, a Christmas release is still very optimistic.

As for the leak being a publicity stunt, well, believe what you will, but I would think HL2 had enough publicity without the leak.

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 11, 2003, 02:24
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Re: The File Dates Oct 11, 2003, 02:24
Oct 11, 2003, 02:24
 
Stolen after E3. Correct.
Version stolen = Not up to date.
Game Assests stolen = Different save dates than source.
Conclusion = This data is old to begin with. It may have been leaked by Valve on purpose. It may have actually been stolen. The most useful parts of the code are missing. It is like an SDK-lite. The countdown to 9/30 is irrelevant. This can be used to create some aspects of the game, but it cannot, repeat cannot be used to create a game in its current state because there is too much missing information.
Another consideration that points to valve leaking this:
CS:CZ is going to be available to CS as an upgrade 1.7 anyway, minus the single-player & player-models. CS has always been free. This is just fluff.
Team-Fortress 2: I'll believe that when I see it. And if it is released like the HL2.anon.beta, then it won't be playable anyway.

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 11, 2003, 01:07
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Re: The File Dates Oct 11, 2003, 01:07
Oct 11, 2003, 01:07
 
Erm, it was stolen on the 19th. Valve publicly announced they weren't going to make Sept 30th on the 23rd.

I am glad we agree that everything was stolen after E3. Now I just have to convince you that there'd be no reason for the anon leaker to steal the source code, wait a month, steal the material, wait another month, change all the filedates, and then release it like new.

Keep the denial up, we'll hit 85 posts soon, and we'll kick toilet rescue squad off the popular thread list!

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 10, 2003, 22:36
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Re: The File Dates Oct 10, 2003, 22:36
Oct 10, 2003, 22:36
 
OMG, you cretin ninny, The source code is older. The bsp was a newer build. The source code has a countdown for sept. 30th because at least since E3, Valve wanted it out on the 30th.

Look, let's put this into perspective for you. Vinvendi said November. Valve said no. Vinvendi said November. Valve said no, I mean yes, ok November. Then we were told that on the 19th, that they were hacked. So, Valve was yes, no, yes, no, for delay, and yet the hacker would have obtained a count-down for the 30th is irrelavent regardless of what version the source-code was because Valve wasn't going to make Sept. 30th anyway. But, most likely, at the time of the theft, Valve knew they weren't going to make it. So why the countdown then?????

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 10, 2003, 20:51
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Re: The File Dates Oct 10, 2003, 20:51
Oct 10, 2003, 20:51
 
When you look at the E3 videos, does it have "ERROR, ERROR, ERROR" everywhere? NO! It does not. That's because they were using a newer build with new data in the compiled BSP map. The source code that the hacker got (if there is one) was OLDER than that!!!!!!

That doesn't mean jack. They were talking about the release date being Sept.30th since E3.

So now you're saying that the leaked source code was created before E3, and somehow also created after E3.

Oh, and does the cold stop your brain from functioning? I know that not all Canadians are as dense as this. Get inside & warm up your brain!

Wow, I haven't seen such lame flamebait since Blue has been able to ban fredster.

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 10, 2003, 19:47
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Re: The File Dates Oct 10, 2003, 19:47
Oct 10, 2003, 19:47
 
"BTW - When bringing down the console, there's a countdown timer to Sept 30, so at the very least it's from around the time they announced that release date"

That doesn't mean jack. They were talking about the release date being Sept.30th since E3.

Oh, and does the cold stop your brain from functioning? I know that not all Canadians are as dense as this. Get inside & warm up your brain!

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 10, 2003, 10:26
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Re: The File Dates Oct 10, 2003, 10:26
Oct 10, 2003, 10:26
 
When you look at the E3 videos, does it have "ERROR, ERROR, ERROR" everywhere? NO! It does not. That's because they were using a newer build with new data in the compiled BSP map. The source code that the hacker got (if there is one) was OLDER than that!!!!!!

Or, more likely, changes to the source code have broken some these things that were 'hacked in' for E3. I think this is much more likely than valve keeping old revisions around for people to steal (and the hacker was good enough to get in but not good enough to realize he was stealing an older version).

BTW - When bringing down the console, there's a countdown timer to Sept 30, so at the very least it's from around the time they announced that release date.

Oh, and Canada never went to war in Iraq, thank you very much.

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 10, 2003, 09:10
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Re: The File Dates Oct 10, 2003, 09:10
Oct 10, 2003, 09:10
 
"There's no doubt that a lot of this material is older (many of the files are named E3_whatever, they surely wouldn't have been worked on since), but this is no reason to believe that it's not the most up-to-date material valve had on the 19th when it was all stolen..."

I'll state this slowly, so you can understand...

The hacker, if there really is a hacker at all (I wouldn't put this buy a developer to gain hype), put out an old version, older even than E3!!!!!!!

When you look at the E3 videos, does it have "ERROR, ERROR, ERROR" everywhere? NO! It does not. That's because they were using a newer build with new data in the compiled BSP map. The source code that the hacker got (if there is one) was OLDER than that!!!!!!

If you don't get it, then guess what, you are a complete idiot!!!!!

The source code is old. The BSPs are old. They are also from different versions of code & some of it doesn't work. Also the scripting is gone, most of the maps don't even work right and its a big hit or miss the whole thing through. I watched at a friend's house for hours. The leak is like Doom3 alpha. It's just hype. And it has no actual value. The emotion engine doesn't process. The code is 3 miles long of mostly text. This is a sham! Get it through your fucking head! BOY! It isn't the game, won't be the game, and can't be the game. This is old, old, old shit that doesn't even work right. 1/3. Get it? Do you understand? Do you have an inkling? A minor fucking clue? Anything? ANything at all? Quit believing what you read & investigate. Learn. Understand.

Woah, did you see in the paper that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction & we are going to war?

Yeah, well where are the WMDs? HUH? Did you believe that too? MR. GULLIBLE?

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 10, 2003, 07:05
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Re: The File Dates Oct 10, 2003, 07:05
Oct 10, 2003, 07:05
 
So duh, the files were stolen on the 19th, the files are dated on the 19th. Pretty easy trick. But think about this, the source, assets, & coconut monkey this guy stole & made a beta from has a whole lot of holes in it. You can see them in the screen shot, "ERROR", "ERROR", "ERROR", everywhere!! This is old material, not new data.

I'll re-iterate, slowly since you seem to have missed the point. Why do you believe the leaker was able to get hold of new source code, but only old game data? Do you honestly believe someone:
a) would steal the E3 material, but decide to hold onto it because they'll..
b) months later, also hack into valve
c) release the source
d) release the E3 material a few days later

no, if someone got hold of hl2 material at E3, it would have been released back then!

There's no doubt that a lot of this material is older (many of the files are named E3_whatever, they surely wouldn't have been worked on since), but this is no reason to believe that it's not the most up-to-date material valve had on the 19th when it was all stolen...

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Re: The File Dates
Oct 9, 2003, 23:28
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Re: The File Dates Oct 9, 2003, 23:28
Oct 9, 2003, 23:28
 
Someone recently said that the file dates were all Sept. 19th. Of fucking course they are, Valve even acknowledges the fact that someone was in their system on the 19th.

Tell you what, go surf some porn, save a nice whack pic, & look at the properties. Wow! Amazing!!! It's dated October 9th, 2003. OMG!!!! How did you do that? You managed to find the only pron pic on the net that was made TODAY!!!! You're so fucking amazing!!!!

So duh, the files were stolen on the 19th, the files are dated on the 19th. Pretty easy trick. But think about this, the source, assets, & coconut monkey this guy stole & made a beta from has a whole lot of holes in it. You can see them in the screen shot, "ERROR", "ERROR", "ERROR", everywhere!! This is old material, not new data.

But I do agree with the other people, the smarter ones who post here, this is a good excuse for Valve to polish its game.

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Re: anonymous leaker speaks
Oct 9, 2003, 22:58
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Re: anonymous leaker speaks Oct 9, 2003, 22:58
Oct 9, 2003, 22:58
 
Gabe stated that the e3 stuff was scripted, but the actual game would not be aside from certain thing having to happen.

Also, you really think the whole game after 5 years of development were these little segments for e3? This is not the full game, maybe this is all the hacker could get to.

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Re: anonymous leaker speaks
Oct 9, 2003, 22:34
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Re: anonymous leaker speaks Oct 9, 2003, 22:34
Oct 9, 2003, 22:34
 
One thing the beta sure does show though is how much Valve lied.

The soldier kicking the door in has to be the biggest one of all.
gabe was all like, look at the ai it is so good the soldiers know how to follow you and kick in doors and shit.

Try that map, use impulse 101, and just doulbe barrel shot gun blast that soldier in the face right at the start.
then go in the house and shut the door. You hear his yelled commands and the door gets kicked in by itself.


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Re: anonymous leaker speaks
Oct 9, 2003, 20:43
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Re: anonymous leaker speaks Oct 9, 2003, 20:43
Oct 9, 2003, 20:43
 
Ralphus,

I wont post screenshots here, but do a little searching on the internet and you will see legit CZ screenshots... the warez websites have them all listed... didnt take me too long to verify if this ANON guy was speaking the truth or not by doing a little searching.



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Re: anonymous leaker speaks
Oct 9, 2003, 20:40
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Re: anonymous leaker speaks Oct 9, 2003, 20:40
Oct 9, 2003, 20:40
 
Why are so many people believing what this guy is spouting.

They believe because the hacker is the only one talking -- obscure movie reference: "they drink the sand because they don't know the difference" <-- can u name the flic?

Also, the weight of the evidence is pretty staggering -- the builds that have been released look like production builds (at least those who claim to have seen them running say so)... personally, I will not download these or any other leaked content (and, no, I did NOT download the leaked DOOM3 beta either) so I can't argue for or against.. we'll just have to wait and see.
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