Half-Life 2: Delay? Maybe, Playable? Yes

New delay for Half-Life sequel on BBC News (thanks Eraserhead) has a quote from Christophe Ramboz of Vivendi Universal Games on the Half-Life 2 source code theft that takes a completely different direction than the talk of four month delays found in a different article (story), as they have him saying: "Vivendi Universal Games is only the distributor of the product, which is produced by the US studio Valve and so it will up to them to make an announcement." Meanwhile, Thieves steal playable version of Half-Life 2 on CNN Money contradicts reports that downplay the amount of code stolen, choosing to reveal that the Source source thieves "also stole enough game maps and other components to put together a playable build of the game. Today, five days after the first leak, they have released that build."
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Re: No subject
Oct 7, 2003, 20:25
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Re: No subject Oct 7, 2003, 20:25
Oct 7, 2003, 20:25
 
Obvious u are a noob

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Re: No subject
Oct 7, 2003, 20:23
90.
Re: No subject Oct 7, 2003, 20:23
Oct 7, 2003, 20:23
 
Less piracy in 1996? (HAHAHA)x1000

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Re: I'm honestly shocked...
Oct 7, 2003, 20:20
89.
Re: I'm honestly shocked... Oct 7, 2003, 20:20
Oct 7, 2003, 20:20
 
> The conspiracy theories are a waste of time space and
> effort. Everyone here should be freaking out about this
> theft. Everyone should doing everything that they can to
> find out who has screwed everyone out of this game until
> the next year. We should also be freaking out about how
> these PUNKS have cost A LOT of people one HELLUAVA lot of
> money.

LOL! Stop trolling, Gabe.

As many other people have said, the source being stolen has no bearing on the development of the game. Valve is using this as an excuse to delay the game.

In fact, you should thank the hackers who stole the source. The fact that they need another five months to finish the game means that if Valve WOULD HAVE released HL2 last week, we would all have been stuck with another buggy POS game. Maybe HL2 will be finished by the time it is released, now.

Honestly, what would they possibly have to rewrite because someone saw the code? About the only thing I can think of that might be necessary to change is any crypto keys they might have included in the code as constants to encrypt/hash stuff. And if they did something as stupid as THAT, they deserve to lose all this hypothetical money anyway. Aside from that possiblity, there isn't anything they need to rewrite. the OGC guys do a good enough job writing cheats without the source.


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No subject
Oct 7, 2003, 20:20
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No subject Oct 7, 2003, 20:20
Oct 7, 2003, 20:20
 
Damn I miss 1996 when the real on-line gamers were around, not the stupid freaks u get on-line today. Half of you are just selfish, thieving gits that have no respect and think of no one but yourselves. The internet is a shambles, and the gaming industry is going down the pan at an alarming rate.

If I had my way I would confiscate the computers of everyone with Pirated SW and fine them so much that they would need 5 years to pay it all back.

Hackers would get life in jail or amputation of hands (let the choice be decided by victim).

I would register everyones name in a international database and anyone that was caught cheating in a game would be banned from the on-line community for life.

Anyway I can dream.

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Re: No subject
Oct 7, 2003, 20:10
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Re: No subject Oct 7, 2003, 20:10
Oct 7, 2003, 20:10
 
| Have fun playing, but buy the game, cause this wasnt intended |
| to be leaked! After the source leak, there was no reason for |
| keeping the beta private. |
| |
| - Anonymous leaker |

"After the source leak, there was no reason for keeping the beta private" implies that the person who leaked the playable beta was not the same person that leaked the source code. The person who had the beta only released the beta as a result of someone else leaking the source code. Meaning, they wouldn't have released the beta if the source hadn't been leaked. So, this sounds like whoever leaked the beta had the beta with Valve's permission, or got it from someone who had it with Valve's permission.

So, this means that it's very possible that only 1/3 of the source code was stolen, just like Vivendi said (since the source leak and beta leak seem to be seperate incidents, and the beta doesn't appear to have been obtained by the hack into Valve's network).

This also brings up the question, who would legitamately have a copy of the beta and then leak it? A hardware vendor, perhaps? Not ATI, I would think, given the deal to bundle the game with their new card. But, for the conspiracy theorists out there, nVidia is an interesting thought, since Valve has been giving nVidia a bad name lately (actually, nVidia's shitty DX9 performance has been giving nVidia a bad name, but you know what I mean)...

I think the most likely scenario is that a hardware vendor had the beta, and someone at the hardware company leaked it once the source code was leaked, in a "what the hell, why not" fashion.

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86.
 
huh?
Oct 7, 2003, 20:07
86.
huh? Oct 7, 2003, 20:07
Oct 7, 2003, 20:07
 
HEY! Did I read correctly that Doom3 online multi is going to be based on a peer-to-peer style connection?? Is that right? WTF is that shit about?? Isnt that like going back to VGA and serial mice?

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Everybody happy in their tents and caravans
Everybody happy in their ignorance and apathy
No one realizes until the television breaks down..."

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Re: Doom3
Oct 7, 2003, 20:03
85.
Re: Doom3 Oct 7, 2003, 20:03
Oct 7, 2003, 20:03
 
The Doom3 leak didn't have all that much in it, not that I had it, it being illegal and all.

~Steve

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Doom3
Oct 7, 2003, 19:58
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Doom3 Oct 7, 2003, 19:58
Oct 7, 2003, 19:58
 
Not that anyone would have it, being illegal and all, but does anyone still play around with the Doom3 leak?

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Re: stupid execs
Oct 7, 2003, 19:57
83.
Re: stupid execs Oct 7, 2003, 19:57
Oct 7, 2003, 19:57
 
yea... mabey Gabe should just give up, they'll just get hacked again if they try to rebuild. They have no hope.

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stupid execs
Oct 7, 2003, 19:55
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stupid execs Oct 7, 2003, 19:55
Oct 7, 2003, 19:55
 
Shit - why not just release the damn thing FOR FREE!! like Enemey territory!!

I wanna play this damn thing online with some peeps, and crowbar they ass!

______________________________________________
"When the bomb drops it'll be a bank holiday
Everybody happy in their tents and caravans
Everybody happy in their ignorance and apathy
No one realizes until the television breaks down..."

- SUBHUMANS
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Re: Theft as cover for delays.
Oct 7, 2003, 19:51
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Re: Theft as cover for delays. Oct 7, 2003, 19:51
Oct 7, 2003, 19:51
 
This whole theft BS is just a cover, for the fact that the game is to be delayed.

No, it's not.

~Steve

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Re: Theft as cover for delays.
Oct 7, 2003, 19:50
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Re: Theft as cover for delays. Oct 7, 2003, 19:50
Oct 7, 2003, 19:50
 
This is stupid. There is no WAY they would intentionally release the source code and the beta.

1) the source code is REAL and has been verifed by several people and websites.
2) the beta is now real as well and has been verfied
3) Releasing the source code on purpose does WAAAAYYYY more damage then even delaying the game another 3 years!!!
4) Releasing the beta on purpose also cause more damage. People playing the beta are less likely to purchase the full game and many people WILL complain that the beta sucks so the real game must suck also. Also it gives Valves competition a heads up on more details/workings of the real game.

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Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-)
Oct 7, 2003, 19:49
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Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) Oct 7, 2003, 19:49
Oct 7, 2003, 19:49
 
Yeah, if it's like the Sept 30th delay, they'll announce it on December 24th...

Apparently you forgot that Vivendi was talking about the delay long before Sept 30th. It's pretty silly to not pay attention to the publisher when talking about not making release dates. Even if Valve had said on the 22nd "Hey, it's gold" Vivendi could still say "No, it's not, see you this holiday," and they'd be right.

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Re: Hell has frozen over
Oct 7, 2003, 19:46
78.
Re: Hell has frozen over Oct 7, 2003, 19:46
Oct 7, 2003, 19:46
 
Haha believe Vivendi? Weren't they in trouble for creative accounting last year? They also said only 1/3 of the source code was stolen, which was total bullshit =P

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Re: I'm honestly shocked...
Oct 7, 2003, 19:42
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Re: I'm honestly shocked... Oct 7, 2003, 19:42
Oct 7, 2003, 19:42
 
There exists a small but vocal group of negativists, hatemongers, and trolls. Yesterday (and ongoing, just currently out of the spotlight) it was MS, EA, Ubi, et al; Valve just happens to be the target of the day because they're in the buzz.

3 things lead to theft: Greed, Envy, Malice.

Am I pissed? Yup. Do I blame Valve? Nope. I blame the sorry asses who at some point in their lives went astray and think it's ok to steal.


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Yeeeeessss
Oct 7, 2003, 19:41
76.
Yeeeeessss Oct 7, 2003, 19:41
Oct 7, 2003, 19:41
 
I'm glad we're all sensible enough to remember all the historic previous cases where source code, spoilers and apparently most of the content were released for free in a publicity stunt before the release of the real thing, which they were then going to ask people to pay for.

...instead of just saying "well, um, yeah. crap. sorry, we're gonna have to delay it till we're done."

Now, I'm not a doctor, but I do recommend that some of you go see one, and *insist* on a prescription that's either strong enough to start you drooling, or strong enough to stop you drooling, depending on your current state (which would clearly be described using the word "delusional").

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Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-)
Oct 7, 2003, 19:39
nin
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Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) Oct 7, 2003, 19:39
Oct 7, 2003, 19:39
nin
 
Does anyone see a pattern developing here?
My guess is that Valve will eventually confirm a delay until 2004 but probably not for a while yet.

Yeah, if it's like the Sept 30th delay, they'll announce it on December 24th...

Supporter of the "A fredster By Any Other Name Is Still The Same" fan club.

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Theft as cover for delays.
Oct 7, 2003, 19:26
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Theft as cover for delays. Oct 7, 2003, 19:26
Oct 7, 2003, 19:26
 
This whole theft BS is just a cover, for the fact that the game is to be delayed.

It's all smoke and mirror to buy enough sympathy and time to complete the game that was going to be late anyway.

Gabe should get a Grammy award for the on-line act, he's doing faking the theft.

73.
 
Re: Hell has frozen over
Oct 7, 2003, 19:20
73.
Re: Hell has frozen over Oct 7, 2003, 19:20
Oct 7, 2003, 19:20
 
At this point it's better to just believe Vivendi and to hell with Valve. If Valve manages to pull a rabbit out of their ass and release this thing in time for the holidays(2003) great. But I think the chances of me winning the lottery are greater.

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Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-)
Oct 7, 2003, 19:20
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Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) Oct 7, 2003, 19:20
Oct 7, 2003, 19:20
 
The theft was 9/11/2003 - that could be part of the reason that the 9/30/2003 was not met.They were at least at beta stage, we know that from the source and from the leaked beta that is now floating around.

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