Isn't most, if not all of what Valve is doing available via white papers/source already on the internet?

C.S. 2.0 will be neither a retail product nor a free download. It will be a pay per month, hence the rage.

Is counterstrike 2.0 retail or a free download?

Look all the good hacks, like aimbots and wallhacks are done in DX or OGL they do not use the game's coding. So cheating and hacking is a non-issue, any game code dependant hack is easily thwarted with just minor updates.

The absolute worst thing will be that smaller companys who cannot affored the 500,000 liscenese fee to use Source will be able to take advantage of some of its features. I'm sure Source's source will end up an unofficial guide at how to program video game engines when all this is said and done. There are only three big names in the engine market, Valve, Epic, and John Carmack. We know Jhonny isn't going to need to look over the HL2 code since he's got very little to learn from it. So that leaves Epic, but I seriously doubt they want to touch this with a 10 foot pole. I'm sure they will have some "innovations" that will just be coincedentaly close in time to this leak.

That leaves all the other smaller companys out there who liscense engines, or the even smaler companys that have to craft thier own. I predict those smaller companys might be willing to risk getting the HL2 so they can barow ideas, while the companys that can affored to pay out for liscense will avoid it like the plague.

So, in english, Valve will have more competition but just due to the nature of the beast its unlikely to be devastating to them.

The game will still be out in november/december.
The game will have online cheats regardless.
The game will be bought by everyone and jesus too.
The smaller game companys will benifit from the code.
Epic might be willing to risk a bit to learn from it.
No game will be sold using the source code in full or even verbatim.


So stop sensationalizing this whole fucking thing and realize that while Valve will lose some money they are no where near a sinking ship. Counter Strike 2.0 alone will recoup thier losses, not to mention all you analy die hard fans.

There's also the (false) sense of security people get with MS products. But what people don't seem to realize is whatever the majority of people use for software, is what the hackers of the world will tailor their apps towards. (In this case, MS apps.)

Also, most companies don't use POP email. For example, we have Lotus administrated email. Its not done via POP or SMTP... but something more in the line of remote folders.

Right now, the MOST common accepted business-class email systems (not clients, but WHOLE systems) are either Lotus Notes or Microsoft Outlook (not-express).

except why the hell do you use outlook? Mozilla Thunderbird offers most basic needs with nightly builds.

You just answered your own question. Most people don't want to fool with nightly builds of an email client. I'm not knocking Thunderbird, but people want one version that works.

There's also the (false) sense of security people get with MS products. But what people don't seem to realize is whatever the majority of people use for software, is what the hackers of the world will tailor their apps towards. (In this case, MS apps.)

A lot of the startup Valve crew coming from MS doesn't help, either...

Supporter of the "A fredster By Any Other Name Is Still The Same" fan club.

http://www.hybridsoundsystem.com/

Explains the Sept. 30 release miss. Sucks for the rest of us. This also explains why Gabe was so easily angred. I mean damn, the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fall into place, except why the hell do you use outlook? Mozilla Thunderbird offers most basic needs with nightly builds.

www.mozilla.org

MooMoo

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or at least their forums to vBulletin

"Genius! You ever stop and think that they're making games FOR WINDOWS?? It might make sense to run WINDOWS then, eh?"

no, it doesnt make sense. As I said earlier, windows is unsafe. I program for windows and I program on a unix box. Odd eh? Ineptitude has led to the source being distributed. Source should *not* live on an outside facing machine. Test versions should *not* live on an outward facing system. The only thing that should live there is stuff you are using there and then, after usign it then sanitize it. If you need to test online stuff then build your own network and test it on a pseudo internet. If you need to simulate an internet connection then throttle your switch to 512k etc!

Some crops are lively.
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Ya by the time i got to the download thread 14,986 people had downloaded the source from JUST that location. WOW. There is no turning back on the code. Its time for damage control.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11923

guess no one found any Nvidia programmers names in there...

This is the worst gaming news since Looking Glass folded. I could care less about cheaters, besides they probably can make changes to fix that, or how long HL2 will be delayed (c'mon people, grow up!), but the loss of this incredibly valuable intellectual property is staggering. They will still be able to license their engine out--no game developer is going to use stolen code for their product--but unscrupulous developers making their own engines can now make a product to compete with Source at a fraction of the cost. What Valve has lost with this is its competetive edge.

It staggers me, I mean my mind BOGGLES, that there are people who actually use Outlook! My god, it's unbelievable.

Edit: Just read that maybe this involved their ENTIRE source code tree, including Havoc code and other proprietary licensed technology. People, Valve could get SUED and go out of business.
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looks like they have some suspects-

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10781&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

if u check www.*****.com, seeing the fingers pointed at em, these kids are now hosting the hl2 source code for d/ling on their site. i hope the fbi or other hackers get em soon. i mean, u can hack the CIA, banks etc, u don't hack a game company- it's a game company for christ sake, they make games! lol wtf u hack a game company for?

http://equinox.homelinux.net/public/uplfolders/upload1/Bunny.JPG

I know, I know... Valve is going to start charging a monthly subscription fee for Steam pretty soon. Well, when they do... don't pay. It's that simple. If enough people don't pay, Valve will shut down Steam.

well Mr.Insideinformation

Valve has stated like 15 times now, that its OPTIONAL to subscribe to steam for 10$month INSTEAD of buying the game, either that , or you can buy games (50$ one time) and play free like you always have.

BicycleRepairMan

"Valve probably has a bunch of computers, if they only separated the development computers from the internet completely (by actual cables and not software)."

Yeah, I agree. Fragment your friggin network man. Have one LAN not internet connected for Dev and one LAN for web surfing communicating. If Gabe had the full source tree on his PC then shame on him. I do feel bad for valve, but use some common sense, jeez.

Genius! You ever stop and think that they're making games FOR WINDOWS?? It might make sense to run WINDOWS then, eh? Not to mention the fact that they have to interact with a whole bunch of other people and businesses around the world - most of whom use WINDOWS. *sigh* I'm also willing to bet that YOU use Windows!

The people trying to blame this on Valve need to take a look in the mirror - their fanaticism is what has bred this sort of attack!

--Noel "HB" Wade
Ex-Sierra / WON.net employee / Level-Designer

Well, Using windows is one thing, but the fact is its prime target for attackers, whether tou like it or not. Valve probably has a bunch of computers, if they only separated the development computers from the internet completely (by actual cables and not software). and just used another for communicating with fans etc. This wouldnt have been possible. Also , not using outlook or IE is also good advice, not only because they actually "F#¤KIN STINK!!" but also because they are the most used, and therefore the most attacked.

And always listen to movie qoutes.

If there is one thing in this world I hate, it is an unlocked footlocker! If it werent for idiots like you there wouldnt be any theivery in this world now, would it!!
-Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor

BicycleRepairMan

STEAM is just smoke & mirrors for Valve to quadruple their money. BUNCH OF GREEDY FUCKS!!!

You're paying for Steam? Yeah, I'd be upset too. Most of us are getting it for free.

I know, I know... Valve is going to start charging a monthly subscription fee for Steam pretty soon. Well, when they do... don't pay. It's that simple. If enough people don't pay, Valve will shut down Steam.

Personally, I'm going to wait and see what Steam offers and how much they want to charge for it. If it sounds like a good deal, I'll sign up. If not... plenty of other games out there. Plenty of free stuff on the internet. I don't blame Valve for trying to make money. Thats what companies are in business for, remember? To make a profit?



I'm sprawled across the davenport of despair.

so will every game from this point forward be accused of using "source" source?

scenario:
New Game "X" revolutionary "xyz" feature..
Valve:"that was our technology"
no doubt game devs are clamouring for a peek and have already d/l'ed their 48Mb of infamy...
smells like the SCO/Linux/IBM situation...