Out of the Blue

The service for my mom was lovely... those of us in her family were somewhat aware of her influence in her field (a retired school principal turned educational consultant) and her extended group of friends, but a crowd of more than 450 attendees was a bit more than most of us expected, and I've never seen a more touching funeral.

Obviously, my own process will be more drawn out, but I think it's about time to put this to rest as a topic on the site here. Thanks once again for all the support so many of you have showed, and also thanks to those of you who availed themselves of the donation links I posted yesterday. And to the couple of griefers who chose to twist this all to their own uses, you are forgiven... my mom would have wanted it that way. =]

My mom was a great person, and I will miss her every day of my life, but it's been great being able to share her with you and others these past few days, and I thank you for that. And remember, Carpe Diem.

Links of the Day: ALA Banned Books Week.
Stories of the Day: Air Force cadet charged for running porn site.
For better or worse, the Internet is radically changing dating and romance in America.
Science!: New Theory Universe Was Born in a Black Hole.
Auction of the Day: His & Hers glass urinals. Thanks Dan Leadbetter.
Thanks Mike Martinez.
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Re: AirForce
Sep 24, 2003, 00:44
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Re: AirForce Sep 24, 2003, 00:44
Sep 24, 2003, 00:44
 
when's the new album out?

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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 18:54
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 18:54
Sep 23, 2003, 18:54
 
I think Reznor enjoys taunting us...

Could be worse, he could be Rivers Cuomo...

=w= Steve =w=

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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 17:07
nin
 
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 17:07
Sep 23, 2003, 17:07
 nin
 
Dammit nin, you made me think the website had been updated after a year or whatever it's been since it stopped working.

Na, it' still in the "change 2 pixels a day" phase...hopefully soon. The "fun with the web page" stuff is getting old (it started out black, had a few links to pages from a book, then removed those and went slowly from black to white over time).

I think Reznor enjoys taunting us...

Supporter of the "A fredster By Any Other Name Is Still The Same" fan club.

http://www.nin.com
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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 16:58
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 16:58
Sep 23, 2003, 16:58
 
http://www.nin.com

Dammit nin, you made me think the website had been updated after a year or whatever it's been since it stopped working.

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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 13:00
nin
 
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 13:00
Sep 23, 2003, 13:00
 nin
 
Remember what Lee Ermey said... your ass is his.

He needs to write a book, with all his famous quotes..."The Book of Lee" or something.

Supporter of the "A fredster By Any Other Name Is Still The Same" fan club.

http://www.nin.com
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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 12:14
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 12:14
Sep 23, 2003, 12:14
 
Remember what Lee Ermey said... your ass is his.

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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 11:18
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 11:18
Sep 23, 2003, 11:18
 
thats part of being in the forces. In basic training the training team regualrly busts your locker (personal possessions and all) looking for contraband. common practice, you DO sign your name on the dotted line afterall....

Its not the cough that carries you off but the coffin they carry you off in.
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Re: Shameless Self Promotion
Sep 23, 2003, 08:38
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Re: Shameless Self Promotion Sep 23, 2003, 08:38
Sep 23, 2003, 08:38
 
It'll be bundled with duke4ever...
Anvil - from the land of warm beer and mad cattle.
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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 08:20
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 08:20
Sep 23, 2003, 08:20
 
These dorm rooms and computers are being used for personal reasons and should be considered personal possessions until the cadet leaves.

They never have been and never will. Remember these arn't civilian college dorm rooms. These are military barracks, the Air Force just calls them dorms in an attempt to distance themselves from the Army. Is the barracks in which an enlisted man lives his personal property? No, and neither are the barracks in which the Air Force Cadets live.

I was trying to make a point that even if he wasn't using it too sell porn then they still would've punished him.

Not necessarily, while probably against the rules it would boil down to what your upperclassmen squadleader is like. When I was shown around West Point my cadet escort made a point that a lot of the little annoying rules don't come into play as much as long as you have a cool squad leader. If the squad-leader is a real asshole then you could expect to get in trouble for possesion of pornography but otherwise not likely.

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Re: No subject
Sep 23, 2003, 03:08
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Re: No subject Sep 23, 2003, 03:08
Sep 23, 2003, 03:08
 
Re: "Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde uinervtisy..."

http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/cambridge.asp

~Steve

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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 02:57
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 02:57
Sep 23, 2003, 02:57
 
If you go to the service academies looking to join a fraternity and get smashed every weekend you arn't going to the right school

Whew, good thing I'm here and not there then!

~Steve


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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 01:28
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 01:28
Sep 23, 2003, 01:28
 
Ok He was selling porn and I'm sorry for saying otherwise. I was trying to make a point that even if he wasn't using it too sell porn then they still would've punished him. If he wrote a program, made a song, wrote a story/article and then tried to sell it, would he receive the same punishment? These dorm rooms and computers are being used for personal reasons and should be considered personal possessions until the cadet leaves. They are being used after classes and training right?
I'm glad you agree that 14 years is too much. He should be kicked out, that's it. If he was sent to jail for 2 years would that be ok with you? How about they just have a computer room. The computers wouldn't be used by one person or be allowed to have any permanent personal material on them.

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Re: AirForce
Sep 23, 2003, 00:35
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Re: AirForce Sep 23, 2003, 00:35
Sep 23, 2003, 00:35
 
"commercial gain, and wrongfully viewing, displaying and storing obscene material. " They didn't actually say he was making any sort of profit or setting up a business OR that he was stealing bandwidth.

I like how you conviently leave out the bit where it specifically says he ran the site for commericial gain. The complete quote from the article:

Cadet 1st Class Sterling Barnes faces charges including using a government-provided computer to advertise and sell pornography for commercial gain, and wrongfully viewing, displaying and storing obscene material.

I don't think the guy deserves 14 years, and he probably won't get it. My point is that I'm not surprised that that is the maximum possible sentence, and that I don't think his getting in trouble for this is a bad thing. If you think bringing charges against someone for running a for-profit pornography site on government property is an invasion of privacy that's your perogative. If you have an understanding of how the service academies work and how they differ from civilian colleges then you would understand why I don't think this is "kicking cadet's in the balls".


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Re: Shameless Self Promotion
Sep 22, 2003, 23:46
WarPig
 
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Re: Shameless Self Promotion Sep 22, 2003, 23:46
Sep 22, 2003, 23:46
 WarPig
 
Project X finally to see the light of day?

Wow! That's either a hell of a memory or you've been obsessing over it for 4 years.

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Re: AirForce
Sep 22, 2003, 23:22
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Re: AirForce Sep 22, 2003, 23:22
Sep 22, 2003, 23:22
 
"it's their computer not his" Well then maybe they should put a password on it and keep it in a "restricted" area. Sorry, but giving a government-owned computer to a cadet to USE doesn't mean you have the right to spy on what that computer is doing/storing. Giving a student a room does not give you the right to spy on them while they are taking a shit or to look thru the pictures their girlfriend sent. Or are you going to claim that these computers are being used for Learning and Training purposes only? I would bet 100% of the cadets are using them for personal things. Like visiting bluesnews*wink*?
"commercial gain, and wrongfully viewing, displaying and storing obscene material. " They didn't actually say he was making any sort of profit or setting up a business OR that he was stealing bandwidth. It clearly says they can punish you for viewing,storing, displaying(on a wall?) porn. The Great Leaders are screwing over cadet's. Throwing cadet's in jail for 14 years, Ignoring and Punishing rape victims.

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Re: AirForce
Sep 22, 2003, 22:11
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Re: AirForce Sep 22, 2003, 22:11
Sep 22, 2003, 22:11
 
This is how we reward soldiers for defending our nation and freedom. By invading their privacy during training? Telling them they can't look at naughty pictures for 4 years? I understand that they signed up for it and agreed with the rules. But SOME of the rules are wrong and should be changed. The people in charge should be fired and maybe be thrown in jail. "142 assault cases reported at the school since 1993 say they were punished for rules violations" THIS IS WRONG!!!! They are abusing their power. THEY SHOULD BE HANGED!!! Honest Americans who want to serve are having their rights taken away. This is not how a nation who preaches freedom should run its army. Want to defend your nation? Fine. Get ready to be kicked in the balls.

So running a porn site on a computer that is US Government property is okay? The guy didn't own the computer, the AF Academy did. If the AF want's to take a look they should be allowed to, it's their computer not his. I doubt there would have been an issue had he just had some dirty pictures on "his" PC, where the problem comes in is that he was running a for-profit porn business off a computer and bandwidth he didn't own.

The service academies are not "fun" they are something that you look back upon and say "I'm glad I did that even if I hated most of it". If you go to the service academies looking to join a fraternity and get smashed every weekend you arn't going to the right school and you will not keep up with the workload.

The rules that are in place have been apart of the service academies and the military at large for as long as this nation has existed. These rules are not in place to make your life miserable (although it may seem that way) they are there to change your perspective on things. When new cadet's report to the service academies they think they are the hottest shit on earth. And why shouldn't they? They just got accepted to one of the most competitive schools in the nation. These rules and traditions that seem like bullshit to you are there in order to get these new cadet's to realize that they arn't all that. That they arn't that special. That in reality they are all equal. Once this equality is established, then the process of building them into leader's begins. So far it's worked pretty well for producing leaders of our armed forces.

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Re: Anybody see
Sep 22, 2003, 21:03
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Re: Anybody see Sep 22, 2003, 21:03
Sep 22, 2003, 21:03
 
Kennan Barby!

NO JOKE.

That's a good way to get your kid to hate you.. she will just change it later anyways.

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You Mom!
Sep 22, 2003, 20:59
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You Mom! Sep 22, 2003, 20:59
Sep 22, 2003, 20:59
 
Just a continued, voice. It will take you about a year to even start thinking about your loss. Keeping talking about it and share it with friends... it does help you thru this time.

Best wishes. Bill.

btw It isn't fair when we lose love ones, is it?

Be good!

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Re: Shameless Self Promotion
Sep 22, 2003, 20:57
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Re: Shameless Self Promotion Sep 22, 2003, 20:57
Sep 22, 2003, 20:57
 
Hey Blue, I have not seen any links on here, regarding the two articles about the new Delta Chrome graphic card coming out(hopefully). I don't think I missed them in the tech bits?

Project X finally to see the light of day?

http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=postmessage&boardid=1&id=0&threadid=5148
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Re: AirForce
Sep 22, 2003, 19:48
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Re: AirForce Sep 22, 2003, 19:48
Sep 22, 2003, 19:48
 
This is how we reward soldiers for defending our nation and freedom. By invading their privacy during training? Telling them they can't look at naughty pictures for 4 years? I understand that they signed up for it and agreed with the rules. But SOME of the rules are wrong and should be changed. The people in charge should be fired and maybe be thrown in jail. "142 assault cases reported at the school since 1993 say they were punished for rules violations" THIS IS WRONG!!!! They are abusing their power. THEY SHOULD BE HANGED!!! Honest Americans who want to serve are having their rights taken away. This is not how a nation who preaches freedom should run its army. Want to defend your nation? Fine. Get ready to be kicked in the balls.

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