Art waaa!

If you are eating in a resturant, and I come stand on your table and poop on your dinner plate.
I felt like expressing my self that way.

Is that art?

Seriously, I am now intrested in peopls opinion, on something like that. Is it art?

For that reason I can watch a performance that I do not enjoy while still appreciating that the peformer is a virtuoso.

Some people simply can not appreciate artwork if it does not appeal to them. I do not like early American furniture from the Chippendale period. I can still appreciate the ability of the craftsmen that created these pieces of art.

My wife however can not.

To each their own I guess.


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I thought there was no such thing as shitty art?

~Halo

This comment was edited on Aug 15, 22:19.

Not really. As I said, personal interpretation and enjoyment is on a completely different level. For that reason I can watch a performance that I do not enjoy while still appreciating that the peformer is a virtuoso. I can see a painting that does not move me because I can't relate to it, but I can understand that the painting is a masterpiece.

You are arguing that there is no objectivity in art, and this is incorrect. This attitude has made for a lot of shitty art.

~Steve

Jedi Luke:

"Art has form and technique, and there can be right and wrong."


ONLY if the artist was trying to fit their piece into some genre that has parameters to be followed.

This whole argument proves my point. You and I clearly experience art on different levels. When I experience art, I prefer to take it in and make my own decisions as to how I feel about it. I don't look at art and categorize it, then check to see if it measures up to the known baseline. I also look at a beautiful sunset and consider it art, albeit natural. You probably do not because it doesn't follow some textbook definition.

To each his own. This is a philosophical discussion, trying to prove either side right or wrong is futile.
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What didn't I like about System Shock? Nothing in particular, I just didn't have fun playing it. I have a few reasons, like the graphics for one, but I'm not going to continue this futile System Shock argument with you just for the sake of arguing.

Yeah!!! Moogs are fucking awesome!! tried that software synth yet? Mood Modular (from arturia) it sounds fucking ace, among the best i've heard in terms of software synthesizing (they even convinced bob to let them call it 'moog' in the title)

www.arturia.com incase ur interested.

Moogs are fuckin awesome... my first synth was an MG-1... and I also live about 2 hours away from Asheville, home of Bob...

you may now continue the love fest...

rock climber, spout all the "personal interpretation" stuff that you want, and of course that is a part of the process, but there are absolutes in art. There is objectivity, and without absolutes art would be meaningless. Art has form and technique, and there can be right and wrong.

And don't miss the point. To make another example, you may not enjoy The Beatles. Their work may not interest you at all. But to say that they were a shitty band or to deny their tremendous impact on popular music would be incorrect.

It's not about the majority. The evidence of greatness exists in the work itself, in the artistry displayed by the creator. Personal enjoyment is very subjective, but structure, technique, design, composition, all of these things are far more objective.

Bottom line, any game or piece of art or whatever exists on its own. If you don't appreciate it that doesn't make it go away, and if you perceive things in it that aren't there that doesn't make them there either.

~Steve

This comment was edited on Aug 15, 13:39.

Sure dude, the only thing that makes life worth it is girls... grow up.

I don't remember seeing the "2" after "System Shock" in my posts. Read much Tony?

It's also funny how System Shock 1 got rave reviews and is acknowledged by the majority of gamers as a classic.

Seriously now, what the hell do you dislike about System Shock? It's a great game, one of the best, and to say it blows goats for nickels without one reason to back it up is trolling, plain and simple.

Wasn't the first Doom released in early December 1993? I know they (id) are firm about an '04 release, but a release on the 10 year anniversary would be classic.

Btw I consider myself to have a life, yet I lurk here, and even post occasionally. Go figure...

Anon,

If you are feeling a little inferior today, don't take it out on us. Somehow trying to make yourself feel like less of a dork by calling others names will get you no where. Stop hating yourself man, it's not worth it.

all you loosers need to stop talking about games and get a life, try getting a girlfrend, there is more to life than games LOL what a bunch of geeks. have you even ever touched a girl before? I bet not! try going outside and dealing with the real world.

In Reply to #4 & #5,

I'm pretty sure the DOOM 3 engine can handle all those lighting 'feats' you've mentioned. The blood splats in the alpha can already cast real-time shadows on the environment.

I guess that is the elegance of DOOM 3's unified lighting model, in which every pixel reacts consistently to light.

Thats funny shit

wow! all this angst over games that no one has even played yet.

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PAH!

So I am "System Shock" uneducated. Damn, for some reason that doesn't seem very significant. Hmmm....

Art is in individual perception and interpretation. You cannot tell me or anyone else what is beautiful, and what is not. Just because I don't happen to agree with you that Beethoven's ninth symphony is a wonderful work of art, doesn't mean I am "musically uneducated". It means I perceive and interpret this so called art differently and it doesn't move me the way it does you, or the others who so enjoy it. The fact is, if the ninth symphony was such a wonderful work of art that no human could deny it, then we wouldn’t need to be “musically educated” to perceive it this way. If you must to be educated by someone else as to how to perceive/interpret the art, then it’s not art you experience any more, but someone else’s interpretation instead. You cannot pigeonhole art, beauty, perception, spirituality, etc. simply based on what the majority of people agree on. It’s something, hopefully, you experience on your own.

How does this all relate to games? Figure it out for yourself.

This comment was edited on Aug 15, 06:09.

You always forget to say that it's YOUR OPINION, that shitty games like System Shock are awesome. I think it sucked ass, and therefore, it sucked ass to me. Funny how that works eh?

You could say that Beethoven's ninth symphony is a shitty piece of music, but that doesn't make it so. It means you have shitty taste and/or are musically uneducated. Something to keep in mind.

~Steve

I don't remember seeing the "2" after "System Shock" in my posts. Read much Tony?

This comment was edited on Aug 15, 00:17.