Everyone makes not killing sound like the harder of the two options but seeing as Garrett isn't exactly Mr.Combat it could be argued that fighting in at least some situations is the truly more difficult route.
And I'm pretty sure I have heard that zombies or the undead will be making at least some kind of appearance in T3.

I would say the not killing is more of a personal challenge you can set for yourself, than a part that fits into the story

Plus, if the developers did it right, the ability to complete the game without killing a single person would add another level to the game that people could enjoy. Anyone can blackjack or stab their way through a level, including through the "boss" character. But it'd be so much slicker if the players could sneak through the entire game, perhaps planting false evidence in certain stages (as an expert-level option), or steal certain things belonging to rivals, that would cause a victory condition without Garret ever having to kill someone directly. The rivals could finish the job for Garret, and none would be the wiser.

That'd take a bit more effort to create, but that's the gameplay dynamic people think of when talking about the ability to complete the game without personally getting your hands dirty.

If they refuse to have undead levels in this one AT LEAST put one undead someplace in the game so mod makers can use the model.

I would say the not killing is more of a personal challenge you can set for yourself, than a part that fits into the story

All for undead. Yes.

And if we can't go through the entire game without killing even once (perhaps an assassination or the attempt... um, especially since there are Keeper Assassins in the game, or self defense in a planned attack, etc) I couldn't care less. Why?

I'm out there being a shady Thief and taking part in a huge unfolding story of battling wicked evils - I'm not applying for Sainthood.

I was really sad they abandoned them in T2. I hope they have some zombies and other monsters back in T3. One whole undead mission would be great I think.

I wish they'd asked about the force-feedback lockpicking. That'll be one great thing the console version will have that the PC won't. I wanna know if they're going to do anything special for the PC version.

Also wall climbing looks like a great innovation. I'm such a conservative when it comes to games. I don't like them to change too much but the things they're adding to T3 sound awesome.

Lastly, Yay! for customizing the difficulty. They REALLY listened to their fans with that one. Now maybe they won't have those sucky forced-stealth missions where you lose if somebody even just sees you. I hated those in T2 (and NOLF and RtCW, etc.). I'm a stealthy player but I do love my blackjack, oh yes ...

You are right nin! You make me smile

nin is my little bunny rabbit. I will hug him and squeeze him and love him forever!

I thought it was "hug him and squeeze him and call him George"?

Oh, and uh...welcome to the board?



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nin is my little bunny rabbit. I will hug him and squeeze him and love him forever!

I would just like to say that Warren Spector is the man.

On a related subject, if you have never played Ultima Underworld, you don't know what you're missing; it's one of the best games ever made.

sit on my cup

I think Warren and Ion Storm deserve a big fat shiny MEDAL for their devotion, willingness and seeming eagerness to get this title as close to the original vision as possible.

Being a Thief fanboy (since that is what you are called if you like a game nowadays) I am extremly happy with this news, but seriously; they aren't making Thief 3 for any other reason than money.

Well, maybe it's not your cup of jizz, but I loved the first one. Second one wasn't as good but still fun.

i can't hardly believe another sequel is being made to the slowest and boringingest game of all times :\

I can't tell if that's sarcasm, but the team that made Daikatana was Ion Stom Dallas. Spector's team (that made Deus Ex) was Ion Storm Austin. The Dallas portion is no longer a part of the company.

~Steve

Didnt Ion Storm make that horrible Diakatana game or something? Oh god it was so bad I remember throwing the box out side and letting my dogs tear it to shreds.

I guess I did kinda get my moneys worth outa that.

chant with me

Ion Storm. Ion Storm. Ion Storm. Ion Storm.



Seriously, when Looking Glass went belly up, and they revealed just what great plans they had for Thief 3, everyone and their dog was sick as hell over it. That SUCH a great game concept would never see the light of day (when hundreds of shovelware concepts get all the funding they need) was just a sad sad day for the gaming industry.

I think Warren and Ion Storm deserve a big fat shiny MEDAL for their devotion, willingness and seeming eagerness to get this title as close to the original vision as possible.

Go Ion! Go Warren!

Ion Storm. Ion Storm. Ion Storm.
Warren! Warren! Warren! Warren!

Creston, unashamed Warren & Ion Austin fanboy.


Edit : So should we deduce that there will be required kills in the game since he completely avoided answering that question

I don't think so. Since they're concurrently developing it with Deus Ex : IW, which you can finish without ever having to kill someone, I would hazard a guess that Thief 3 will be the same.
It's only a guess though.


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I think Undead are a nice addition to Thief, as long as they're used sparingly. Entire levels based around them, ala Bonehoard, are definetly not my cup of tea. It's neat/scary to find them in someone's neglected cellar, though.

I thought the undead were scary as all hell and really added to the atmosphere in the original... however... i think they were way over done and if kept to a minimum in the third would be quite enjoyable.

My two cents.

-Cleaver

Question: Will the player ever be required to kill in order to finish a mission?

Answer: You can finish this game without ever getting caught, ...

So should we deduce that there will be required kills in the game since he completely avoided answering that question?

edit: didn't close the italics! And bahahaha to the concept of fraudrickson.
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