Out of the Blue

I missed Attack of the Clones in theaters, but now that I've caught it on the old satellite I have to marvel at George Lucas' ability to mess with our minds... After The Phantom Menace I came to the conclusion that the steady downward spiral of the Star Wars movies would inevitably continue. Man was I pleasantly surprised! I had heard that many were saying how much better Ep2 was than it predecessor, but this did not prepare me for how engaging I would find the movie. It was that easy to get me back on board here, and I am now looking forward to Episode III with greater anticipation and far higher hopes than I had for Episode I.

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Jun 30, 2003, 17:35
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Jun 30, 2003, 17:35
 
Spoiler Matrix Discussion:

The second time I watched Reloaded I looked for hints that might point to a Matrix-in-a-matrix theory. Sadly, I found a lot - for instance, the Architect saying "We are prepared to take levels of loss" or something like that when Neo says that everyone would die. It seems quite a lot of people believe in the Matrix-in-a-matrix theory, and not many people are fond of it. Unfortunately, the third movie was already filmed, so even if the Wachiowski (spelling?) Brothers see our complaints and agree with them, they couldn't change it if they wanted to. I'm just really praying that the "real world" isn't another Matrix...

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Jun 30, 2003, 02:00
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Jun 30, 2003, 02:00
 
I think the Matrix within a matrix theory is a little contrived myself...about Neo being part machine...well, they actually said pretty directly that he was. The One was suppose to enter the Source and that would end the war, but Neo instead meets the Architect (as to who or what he is, who can tell yet?), but Neo is politely informed that he contains a piece of code that marks him separate from the rest of the beings inside. Evidently, this programming contains the same basic set of abilities the Agents have, considering the reference to Smith's exclamation to Neo about them being the same. Unfortunately, the evidence the movies are producing are leading to a dual Matrice idea.

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Jun 29, 2003, 04:01
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Jun 29, 2003, 04:01
 
It has something to do with Oneness, as extolled from buddist thinkings... all things are a part of each other or something like that...



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Re: Star Wars
Jun 28, 2003, 15:32
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Re: Star Wars Jun 28, 2003, 15:32
Jun 28, 2003, 15:32
 
I remember the age references in Ep1. They actually say it. Amidala is definitely 14 and Anakin is either 6 or 8 (I don't feel like watching the movie just to get the correct number).

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Re: Matrix: Reloaded
Jun 28, 2003, 13:47
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Jun 28, 2003, 13:47
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I agree Fleer, it WOULD ruin the story. The whole setup of the last two movies is about man trying to free himself from the machines rule. It would be such a cheap "gotcha" to suddenly change the rules in part 3.


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Re: Star Wars
Jun 28, 2003, 02:38
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Jun 28, 2003, 02:38
 
I don't remember ANY age references in either Ep1 or 2. I just know about what I see... I think that since they replaced the actor who played Anakin, they should have also gotten a younger-looking actress to play Amidala in Ep1. If she was supposed to be 14 in the movie, they should have gotten a 14 year old, because Amidala looks EXACTLY the same in Ep2 as she did in Ep1.

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Re: Matrix: Reloaded
Jun 28, 2003, 02:26
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Re: Matrix: Reloaded Jun 28, 2003, 02:26
Jun 28, 2003, 02:26
 
To add to the Matrix discussion:

I heard a rumor that Neo is actually part-machine, which is why there's that discussion between Smith and Neo where Smith says "You and I are very much alike, although you don't know it yet." Maybe that's why he was able to shut down the machines, because he's part of them. I also really hope they don't go the "Matrix-in-a-matrix" route because that would just ruin the story. They did it in 13th Floor and it worked well, but in the Matrix it would suck because it would be like "You know y'all fighting for Zion? Yeah, it's not real."

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Re: Star Wars
Jun 27, 2003, 19:49
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Jun 27, 2003, 19:49
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Anakin was supposed to be 9-10 and Amidala 14.

Ok, I probably just missed the reference to her age in E1. She still seemed to be much more mature than he was.

I also think that her fairly wooden performance was mostly due to the laughable dialog and not a true representation of her acting abilities. To me she has a hard to define quality that will eventually make her a big star. I don't know, sort of an Audrey Hepburn vibe (intelligence, innocence, class).

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Re: Matrix: Reloaded
Jun 27, 2003, 19:41
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Jun 27, 2003, 19:41
 
nin:

Yeah but for how long? It's a single pulse, not a persistant effect. You shut down the ship, trigger the pulse, then power back up and go.

I doubt Neo freed his mind in the real world. I'd really hate that. If that's the case, you're throwing "magic" or "psionicism" into the equation.

Another possibility is that something rubbed off on Neo when he visited the Source, just like he rubbed off on agent Smith when he killed him. He might now know how to use those implants that are throughout his body. Maybe that's how he can sense the sentinels (Neo said: "Something is different. I can feel them.". And maybe he has a connection to them, just like the Borg are all interconnected, and can now shut them down. Or maybe it's just the EMP.


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Re: Star Wars
Jun 27, 2003, 17:38
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Re: Star Wars Jun 27, 2003, 17:38
Jun 27, 2003, 17:38
 
Anakin was supposed to be 9-10 and Amidala 14. Portman played younger than her age in Ep I and older in Ep II (where she was about 24 while Anakin was 19-20). Remember that Portman was I believe 17 when they started filming Ep I.


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Re: Star Wars & Special Effects
Jun 27, 2003, 14:43
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Re: Star Wars & Special Effects Jun 27, 2003, 14:43
Jun 27, 2003, 14:43
 
First of, I think that the original Star Wars movie WAS titled A New Hope, even when I went to go see it sometime in ehhh... 1977 was it? So not sure where the idea that it was later added came from, although perhaps the Episode 4 part was later added, not sure about that.

No it wasn't. It was called Star Wars. "Episode IV: A New Hope" was added for the re-release in theaters.

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Re: The age difference...
Jun 27, 2003, 09:46
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Re: The age difference... Jun 27, 2003, 09:46
Jun 27, 2003, 09:46
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the age difference between Anakin in Ep1, and the lackthereof in Ep2.

Actually, I just did a couple posts ago. Either way, I'm glad someone else was bothered by this also.

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Re: Matrix: Reloaded
Jun 27, 2003, 09:02
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Shadow:

But if Niobe's ship triggered the EMP, it would have shut down her ship too, right?

My bet is The Real World is nothing but another layer of the matrix. It's a cheap twist in the story, and I'm going to hate it if I'm right. It's either that or Neo, after freeing his mind in the matrix, somehow managed to free his mind in the real world.



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Re: Nin Sujet
Jun 27, 2003, 07:17
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Jun 27, 2003, 07:17
 
Sounds more like someone has absolutely no planning skills.

ainh. I'd say it would be (if not difficult) a bit cruddy, given the strong success (for the medium) of the Thrawn Trilogy (and those that followed) to just toss all the expanded universe stuff away and create movies with characters and situations that continued the saga as well as Zahn's work. There's not enough skilled script doctors around to help him out enough.

I don't begrudge Lucas for doing what he wants to his playground - he doesn't owe us anything. It could be worse - he could be Tolkien-esque, hoarding loads of 1/2 written background or other interesting material in an office in his home, and we'd get it doled out bit-by-bit by one of his kids over a couple decades after his death. Better he allows the Expanded Universe stuff (games, comics, books, etc).

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Re: The age difference...
Jun 27, 2003, 06:28
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Jun 27, 2003, 06:28
 
off topic but another great set of films for us older people has to be Mad Max (im still not sure about 3 but it was still OK) hopefully 4 wont kill off the greatness of mad max.

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The age difference...
Jun 27, 2003, 03:38
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The age difference... Jun 27, 2003, 03:38
Jun 27, 2003, 03:38
 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the age difference between Anakin in Ep1, and the lackthereof in Ep2. It seems that Anakin just skyrocketed ten years ahead of time, while everyone else stayed the same (well, Obi Wan grew a beard.. big deal). It especially mattered in the love story between Amidala and Anakin. They didn't even try to age Amidala at all.. she looks exactly the same she did in the first Episode. They could have thrown in one sentence in the dialog that said "Well, the race of Naboo ages quite slower than other races..." that would have made it much more believeable.

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Star Wars & Special Effects
Jun 27, 2003, 02:00
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Jun 27, 2003, 02:00
 
First of, I think that the original Star Wars movie WAS titled A New Hope, even when I went to go see it sometime in ehhh... 1977 was it? So not sure where the idea that it was later added came from, although perhaps the Episode 4 part was later added, not sure about that.

I think Episode 2 wasn't all that bad, it was a damn sight more enjoyable than Episode 1, and I just didn't expect as much of it. Let's be honest guys, Episode 1 was SO hyped and people expected SO MUCH out of it, that it would never have been able to even live up to that, much less better it. What with 20 years of watching the original trilogy, and reading some 30 odd books, playing the roleplaying game and about 10 computer games, how was the movie EVER supposed to match all that?

The bad thing about Episode 2 is the acting. Because everything in the movie is all blue screen, the actors cannot really relate to what they are doing. I mean, Ewan McGregor is a FANTASTIC actor, I've seen him play in a small (and I mean less than 200 seats) theater in London, and he really IS a great actor, but he somehow just doesn't manage to get that across in Star Wars. I think the blue screen stuff might have quite a lot to do with it.

As for CGI, it's being overdone in Hollywood, and being overdone tremendously. A little CGI shot here and there isn't so bad, but when you start doing whole scenes with nothing but CGI it becomes very obnoxious.
Point in fact, if you see the Bourne Identity, check out the car chase. That chase was done the old fashioned way, with stuntmen, good positioning and excellent driving. It will beat the crap out of any Fucked and the Furiouser 2 or Bad Boys 2 CGI chase scenes. Why? Because it LOOKS REAL, that's why.

Just take The Hulk, for example. They spend all this time making half the movie in CGI, and then they couldn't take a few days to make sure that something the size of The Hulk actually looked like it was moving at speed which is believable? Some scenes he looks like a lumbering brute, then in the other he's the fucking Flash.

I think that those Hollywood nerds that make all the CGI need to go out more, and see how things actually look and move in the real world. It would benefit their work tremendously.
Disney didn't just start drawing some lions and made the wonder that is The Lion King. They actually studied Lions and all the other animals for TWO YEARS before even beginning on those drawings. That's why it looks real.

And then finally, as for the Star Wars videos, heh, I own the original trilogy, the THX enhanced version AND the special edition. Once it comes out on DVD, I'll have four different versions of the damn things. I practically financed half that damn ranch Lucas lives in

As for the DVD, I had heard that Lucas didn't want to release the original trilogy on DVD for a long time because he was pissed off at the hackers who released Episode 1 on DVD long before it ever showed in the movies.

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Re: Star Wars
Jun 27, 2003, 00:23
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Jun 27, 2003, 00:23
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I don't like sand... it gets everywhere, not like you...

Good stuff.

Ok, here's how I see it. Dialog like that aside, the whole idea that the princess would fall for Young Darth just killed it for me. In E1 wasn't Amidala around 18 years old while Anakin was what, 8? Now all of a sudden the two seem to be almost the same age. Also, Amidala - who is wise enough to effectively rule a world, falls for this kid who still acts like an impulsive teenager.

What I would have bought would be an affair between Amidala and Obi Wan. The two seemed to actually have some on-screen chemistry and the fact of them getting together would have helped push Anakin to the dark side. Yeah I know, Darth is Luke's father, but it still doesn't work in E2.

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Heat && Dan && !AC != DanLiving LOLOLOLO
Jun 27, 2003, 00:05
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I'm wasting away... the heat is affecting my appetite and I need to eat 4 meals a day to survive and I've only been eating 1... oh no

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Re: Nin Sujet
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C'Mon Ford! You're so much better than that!

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