I'm getting a Mac built into a lamp stand tomorrow... only cost me 5k

"The" Dan
Supporter of the "A happy fredster is an unmuted fredster" fanclub.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=8b3cb5b6626a2a83403e68bb6a327945&threadid=129224

Yes, there is no comparsion to any MP3 players for PC compared to iTunes for Mac. Bash Mac all you want, won't change a thing.

RaZ0r!
Tweak Monkey and Gaming Extraordinaire =)
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*sob* I miss OctaMED on my Amiga 500...

Thanks for the linkage - wow, what a trip down memory lane. I remember getting the various European Amiga magazines with the coverdisks and watching the mind-blowing demos, and I'd record my favorite MODs onto cassettes so I can listen to them at work, in the car, etc. If I had only known that techno would be huge...

Great stuff!

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"Sometimes the best way to get rid of the fleas is to just kill the damn cat."

Lol. Mac users. They make me chuckle.

Winamp 3 isn't so bad. It has some awesome skins (ie MMD3). The only minor niggle I have is that it does take a couple seconds to load. Other than that, it's pretty nice. Much better than M$'s player.


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all you windoze users will see the light once iTunes comes out for you guys.
And how much will that cost?

$439 right from Apple compared to $30 on the PC from a generic manufacture.

I'm also a big fan of modules and such - the thing I totally adore about them (as it appeals to my "dismantle-everything" nature) is the way you can actually open the file up in CubicPlayer, ModPlug Tracker etc, and actually see how it was done. I've gained enormous amounts of insight into the music-making process from that.

http://www.mickrippon.com/recommend/indexe5cc.html

According to the above little bit of googling, Maximalism is by one of your favourites, Mick Rippon. I'm about to download the track and see what I think, as I've heard a fair bit of his stuff before. Also, I'm totally agreed; Leviathan is a damned genius! I've not heard Moby, I'll get some from ModArchive later.

Thanks for the insight on mod stuff!

Oh, if you're looking to convert to Ogg (rather than MP3), FooBar can do that directly. Also, its output is at least on a par with Sonique - and of course Sonique does disk-writing/WAV-file output... so you can always use that. The absolute best, most accurate, most decent-sounding mod player I've ever heard is XMPlay, available from http://www.un4seen.com/ - it's never played a mod of any sort (MOD, S3M, XM, IT) even slightly incorrectly, and the sound output is simply incredible. Give it a whirl, if you want a guaranteed perfect reproduction. The guy's quite a programmer.

Anyway, enough rambling from me.

Cheers,

Rolphus

Addendum: Maximalism is indeed very nice... also, XMPlay can render straight to LAME (MP3 encoder) provided you've got LAME installed... it can also render to OGG or WAV without any trouble. Just thought you'd like to know.

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all you windoze users will see the light once iTunes comes out for you guys.

And how much will that cost?


Supporter of the "A happy fredster is a muted fredster" fanclub.

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all you windoze users will see the light once iTunes comes out for you guys. leaves windows media and WinAmp in the dust, especially for big music libraries.

I, myself, use musicmatch plus. Good software with some good burning capabilities. It costs a lot I guess but let's just say the key I found wasn't provided after I paid for it :o.

I switched to Media Player yesterday. Only problem is my MP3 player is incompatible with it. For that I am forced to use the shitty software that was bundled with it.

Good program otherwise, though. Much more powerful than anything else I've seen.

I think I bring the number of Foobar 2000 users in this thread up to two.

The only thing I miss is being able to control volume quickly by scrolling the mouse wheel in the main window. But that's all right. I love the minimalist attitude, although the developer is, indeed, quite difficult at times. But then again, it's his project! And mostly everyone on HydrogenAudio seems to use it, which has got to mean something.

Winamp3 is not being developed anymore. Info about this is in the dev fourm on Winamp's site and was posted quite awhile back.

Hadn't heard that. Linkage? Thanks!


Supporter of the "A happy fredster is a muted fredster" fanclub.

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/

Winamp 3 sucks.

Theres nothing else to say, that just about sums it up.
~Andy

Winamp3 is not being developed anymore. Info about this is in the dev fourm on Winamp's site and was posted quite awhile back.

They are continuing development of Winamp2 and incorporating the good features of Winamp3 into Winamp2 like video playback and library management, and Winamp3 skin support.

Also, Winamp2 2.92 not officialy released on Nullsoft's site as of yet.

RaZ0r!
Tweak Monkey and Gaming Extraordinaire =)
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PUSHA MAN, I won't give the standard anti-MS retort (bottom line is is does what you want, how you like it, and that's all that matters), but I will say this: Be careful with the DRM!

I wonder how many people still use Netscape 4.7x?

I keep it as a back-up...


Supporter of the "A happy fredster is a muted fredster" fanclub.

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Well, again I can only say that I've had no real trouble with WA3 and module playback. Did have some trouble with the routines in WA2--sequence skipping and suchlike--but they seem to have been fixed for WA3. /shrug To each his own, and all that... WA3 serves me well in the capacity in which I use it-- which is to say Windowshaded in the title bar playing background music all day while I draw.

I believe the best sound output for modules I've found so far has been Sonique, but it has issues with W2K, so I abandoned it some time ago. I'll give ModPlug a try for converting, since it's received multiple recommendations. I was just hoping to avoid the dual-conversion process of mod->wav->mp3, but it looks like I'll have to bite the bullet and do it. Damn that's a lotta mods, though...

I don't think I've ever listened to Morgan, but I'll give him (or her, as the case may be) a try. My favorite trackers are Leviathan, Mick Rippon, and Moby (the tracker, not the quasi-DJ moron). By far, however, the single module that represents the pinnacle of the tracking art--in my opinion, natch--is an eight minute-long piece called Maximalism. I've never been able to discover who tracked it, unfortunately, but it's available on ModArchive.

Glad to know there are still people out there who listen to modules. It's a dying art, and that's a damned shame, since there are tons of talented but unknown artists in the field.

If I might turn a '70's phrase...

Keep On Trackin'

(Sorry, couldn't resist a bad pun)

I always just used Winamp 2 for MP3's and nothing else. Winamp 3 aims to be a do-all, be-all, end-all media player, which would be fine if it did it well. I've tried it a few times and always go back to Winamp 2. Some of the "media library" features really only work if you keep everything on your hard drive and have really really good ID3 habits, neither of which apply to me. Plus, it tried to put everything into a playlist, instead of just files from a directory that it can play. In particular, at my last job the CD-ROM drive sucked so I used Winamp 2's ability to cache files to the hard drive before it played them. Winamp 3, as far as I can gather, lacks this ability.

And it seems like Winamp's development went the way of the (also AOL-owned) Netscape. Develop the new one and keep plugging at the old one until people migrate. Of course the new one is big, bloated, buggy, and all for features you could care less about, so you stick with the old one. I wonder how many people still use Netscape 4.7x?

I have to agree with several of the posts in that I've had terrible experiences with WA3. It's slow, isn't anywhere near as "complete" (obviously) as WA2, seems to take up more resources... WA2 does what it needs to do and is quick about it.

As for the mods, I'm going to echo what someone else said: get a good mod player like ModPlug and use its wav output, then either record to a CD or convert into mp3. By far the best method is using the original tracker that the mod was written in: FT2 for xm, etc. or even running it through a registered MadTracker or Skale. Not sure if Skale has wav output functionality yet.

Just out of curiosity, for the people who enjoy mods, have you ever listened to songs by Morgan?

m19

I have also stopped using winamp 3. Actually I've stopped using Winamp all together. Belive it or not, I recnetly swithced to Windows Media Player 9 Series and I've found it to be a much better experience. Winamp 3 multiple playlist system was just to odd. And like some others have been saying; it took FOREVER to load, frequently crashed and often time the last loaded playlist would have odd problems ie. not playin the right songs.

I know a lot of people are M$ haters just cuz its trendy, but I highly recomend Windows Media Player. Its a lot easier to manage, rename and catogorize your songs and other types of media. It doesnt take forever to load either.

Keep in mind Winamp 3 might work better for those of you that have 200 or so mp3's. But I have over 3000. So I think thats the main advantage that Media player has over Winamp, It manages larger amount of mp3s better.

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