Valve on Xbox Half-Life 2

Following up on the story below, GameSpyDaily has a report up quoting Valve's Doug Lombardi that contradicts the notion that their shooter sequel will not be released for Microsoft's console system:
"Half-Life 2 is planned for the PC and Xbox. We've announced the shipping date for the PC version, and we'll announce a shipping date for the Xbox version later in the year."
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733 slightly cut down Pentium 3 and slightly improved Geforce 3.

To be precise

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The Xbox is a nice piece of hardware. A tad outdated to compete with the PC in terms of sophistication and outright power, but it doesn't need to. It was designed to compete with the PC exclusively. It was meant to take a share of the console market; hence, compete with other consoles. Considering MS should probably make the thing smaller, it does hold its own against its brethren.

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You guys are just wasting your time talking about the X-Box's CPU and GPU. Seriously, I'd guarantee they're more powerful than most computers people use to play games now a days.

Since you're totally wrong, what else would you like to guarantee?

The cpu's a 750. The gpu is a GForce 3.
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MS is already subsidizing the cost of the machine by a significant amount in hopes of gaining marketshare. Some have said as much as $100/unit.

But your right ram is cheap

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You guys are just wasting your time talking about the X-Box's CPU and GPU. Seriously, I'd guarantee they're more powerful than most computers people use to play games now a days. Probably more so than some of the people who are posting bashing them.

What you REALLY should be focusing on is that the X-Box has only *64 MEGABYTES OF RAM!* Which is shared between the CPU, APU, and GPU. Now, allegedly they use a very optimized OS, which cuts the memory usage down quite a bit. But still... I can't think of the last time I played a game with less than 64MB free.
Seriously, why is it that people always cheap out on RAM? It's SOOOOO CHEAP! There's a computer in my office that someone decided to order with a 2.4ghz P4, GF4Mx (not state of the art, but pretty good for MS Office), and 128mb of ram. As if that wern't terrible enough, it's running WinXP! It's already using the paging file when it boots up! It's terrible! How much would it have cost MS to tack on an extra 64megs? There's already spots on the motherboard for it! Maybe like $50 per machine? A year and a half ago! I'm sure by now it'd be atleast half that. Oiy!

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Jun 10, 2003, 08:38
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Hehe. Hump, it is REALLY obvious that you don't know much about graphics

I buy it and plug it into the motherboard, such ends my knowledge of video cards.

seriously, I thought I remember reading that there were some specific features on the GPU that weren't available on the then new GF4's. Obviously I was wrong

I'll stick to talking about games from now on

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Jun 10, 2003, 05:26
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Jun 10, 2003, 05:26
 
Considering that your video card alone costs more than 2.5 times the price of an XBOX, I would hope so.

Which is why you buy the Radeon 9500 Pro which only costs the same as an XBox

All this talk of minimum requirements... Hands up who's ever played a game at minimum specs? Are we all agreed that it sucks the balls? I played Half Life with a P133 (overclocked from 120 to meet the specs) and 80MB of RAM and a Voodoo graphics card at like 512*384 or something. I got about 2fps. It sucked big time.

I still loved it though.

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With HL2 coming to the xBox, how was that version of Halflife that came out on the PS2 a while back, I never checked it out. Besides the enhanced models was there much different?

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DOOM3 will look like assrot on the Xbox. Jaggy Hell. Don't get me wrong, I love my Xbox, but I can't stand the GF3 chip in it.


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Jun 10, 2003, 01:15
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Creston is basically right. I'll echo what he says, including that bit about the limited CPU on the XBox.

The thing is that you need software to run on that hardware. PC Hardware is clearly much more advanced, with faster clocks, more/faster memory, more rendering features, 32-bit floating point vertex and fragment programs, etc. But its not really being used in games yet.

DOOM3 is getting close, and some codepaths in the game use pixel fragment programs, I think, for optimization purposes, but even that doesn't really use everything a GeforceFX can offer. Only the next generation will truly show what is possible.

But even after all this, I don't think there is anything graphically like DOOM3 on the Xbox. The PC will get this game first, then an XBox port will happen. But don't necessarily expect it to look the same. I figure they'll have to cut the PC game down somewhat to guarantee a steady framerate on the XBox.

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Jun 10, 2003, 00:11
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I know next to nothing about graphics but from what I've read, the Nvidia GPU in the Xbox is quite sophisticated and its PC counterparts are just now catching up.

Hehe. Hump, it is REALLY obvious that you don't know much about graphics, indeed, so I'll be kind and say that that statement is "somewhat" off the mark.

More likely, what you read is that games (not just on the PC, but pretty much on any platform, insofar as you can directly compare) are now beginning to scratch the surface of what's POSSIBLE with the graphics chip that's inside the Xbox.

However, the Geforce 3 (yes yes, Geforce 3 / 4 hybrid, whatever, it's still a Geforce 3 to me) that's in the Xbox is not exactly the pinnacle of graphic divinity anymore. Radeon 9700/9800, GeforceTi4600/4800, GeforceFXUltra5600-5900 etc all crush it without even trying.
Especially the DirectX9 cards are so much more advanced it's not really even funny (considering that the Xbox is, what, a year and a half old now?).

Ofcourse, in order to find games that will actually USE all the goodness provided by the new SOTA graphics cards... Doom 3 presumably, but probably not even that.

But, I don't think the Graphics are the problem in the Xbox, it will be the rather severely limited CPU.

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It seems like they (MS) just gave a poorly worded quote - what I think they meant was, since Valve haven't given them a release date or anything, they don't want to confirm and confirm it for xbox to then have Valve say "we've decided not to release it" and have it be their fault

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As far as money goes, some people like hot dogs; others like filet minon! In case you missed it, the Xbox is the 99cent hotdog.

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Check out Martha Stewarts new digs!

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hahahaah

that would be!
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I hope your cpu burns out and you take it in under warranty and they laugh at you because you overclocked it and say tough luck chump.. that'd be hilarious.

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Jun 9, 2003, 21:21
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Jun 9, 2003, 21:21
 
Considering that your video card alone costs more than 2.5 times the price of an XBOX, I would hope so.

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Jun 9, 2003, 21:05
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Jun 9, 2003, 21:05
 
i'll just say that my 1.6 ghz P4 @ 2.4 ghz, 1 gig of DDR RAM, and my radeon 9700 pro will eat these xboxs alive when it comes to effects, framerate, and resolution.

minimum requirements will be a 700 mhz CPU and a TNT2. it scales all the way up to what my specs are, minus the 1 gig of ram - i bet they are aiming at a maximum of 256 mb of ram used in memory.

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Jun 9, 2003, 20:44
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the fact that the valVe guys spoke on their E3 videos about minimum gfx card spec for the pc is a tnt2 shows you the base market these guys are targeting.

minimum gfx card spec is just barely enough to get the game to run on your PC. It certainly won't look all that great though since you'll have to have all the effects turned off or set to their lowest levels.

and that's even before we mention the fact the base cpu for halflife2 is a way below that of the xbox.

same thing goes for the cpu requirement.

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