Novell on Unix: Just Say No to SCO

An article on Slashdot (thanks Mike Martinez) points the way to a Novell press release and a related News.com article called Novell challenges SCO's Linux claims that add significant complications to the recent high-profile case in which SCO sued IBM for more than $1 billion, alleging that misappropriated Unix technology has been built into Linux (story). Here's a bit on the legal tangle:
In a letter to SCO released Wednesday, Novell asserted that it retains Unix patents and copyrights, demanded that SCO reveal where Unix source code has been copied into Linux, and raised its own threat of legal action to compensate for damage that it says has been done to customers, programmers and companies using Linux.

"To Novell's knowledge, the 1995 agreement governing SCO's purchase of Unix from Novell does not convey to SCO the associated copyrights," Novell Chief Executive Jack Messman said in the letter to SCO Chief Executive Darl McBride. He said that SCO evidently realizes this, because "over the last few months you have repeatedly asked Novell to transfer the copyrights to SCO, requests that Novell has rejected."

But SCO Group said that that issue is beside the point, because the company bought full rights to the Unix intellectual property, including its copyrights, patents and the right to enforce those patents, according to Chris Sontag, head of the SCOsource effort to derive more money from the Unix intellectual property.
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Re: blah
May 29, 2003, 12:46
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Re: blah May 29, 2003, 12:46
May 29, 2003, 12:46
 
Moot mainly due to the differences between the cards.

Yeah, but I wanted something more juicy, something more sordid! Carmack geeking out on pixel depths of shaders or whatnot isn't nearly as interesting. (;


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Re: blah
May 29, 2003, 11:13
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Re: blah May 29, 2003, 11:13
May 29, 2003, 11:13
 
So, is anything similar going to happen in the Futuremark situation? Is someone going to come out an say that it's all moot due to some lame goings-on at Futuremark?

Already happened: http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=41976

Moot mainly due to the differences between the cards.

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Re: No subject
May 29, 2003, 09:54
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Re: No subject May 29, 2003, 09:54
May 29, 2003, 09:54
 
How does this affect linux servers running games? That's right, it has no effect.

I don't see how you can say that with any certainty... one of the reasons so many servers run Linux is because it is free.

Also, why post a link to Slashdot? All they did was post a link to a story that was already published.

Because I feel it's important to show the sources of information... I'd rather include an extra link with each story rather than cultivate the impression I came up with this story independently.

Anyway, it's interesting to read so many criticisms of the choice of linking to this story, since I often worry I can be too discriminating about what to post.
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Re: No subject
May 29, 2003, 09:08
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Re: No subject May 29, 2003, 09:08
May 29, 2003, 09:08
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How does this affect linux servers running games? That's right, it has no effect.

Um...NO. It does have an effect if SCO wins because they could potentially hold the keys to linux. And they could charge whatever they want for it. You think all those game servers are going to stay up when the OS running them suddenly has a fee attached to it?

I don't think SCO has a snowballs chance, but their plan of suing everyone into compliance (taking a chapter from the book of Rambus) is alarming, to say the least.


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Unix - Shooting self in foot
May 29, 2003, 09:04
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Unix - Shooting self in foot May 29, 2003, 09:04
May 29, 2003, 09:04
 
The IP for Unix having been scattered to the winds, the various fragment holders now turn on each other like starving cannibals.

I can just see someone in Redmond doing a dance of joy over this whole fiasco.

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No subject
May 29, 2003, 04:01
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No subject May 29, 2003, 04:01
May 29, 2003, 04:01
 
I agree: this article doesn't have anything to do with gaming. A few companies are fighting over rights to some Unix/Linux code. At some point they will settle or drop the case.

How does this affect linux servers running games? That's right, it has no effect.

Also, why post a link to Slashdot? All they did was post a link to a story that was already published.

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Re: So...
May 28, 2003, 22:31
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Re: So... May 28, 2003, 22:31
May 28, 2003, 22:31
 nin
 
Eh, it has the opportunity to improve, it just isn't, which is mildly disappointing.

Agreed. And this does effect gaming if you run linux servers for games. If you don't like it, don't read it.




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Re: So...
May 28, 2003, 22:04
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Re: So... May 28, 2003, 22:04
May 28, 2003, 22:04
 
Uhh... I'm not a linux guru or anything but isn't hosting a game server on linux a little different from actually playing a game on linux.

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Re: So...
May 28, 2003, 21:56
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Re: So... May 28, 2003, 21:56
May 28, 2003, 21:56
 
Hey "anon@216.23" You know how when you play counter-strike (as im sure you do judging by your attitude) and there are those servers with little penguin pictures next to them?

Hey, guess what OS they use!

A good chunk of the web is hosted on linux, as are tons of game servers, so yeah, i'd say this has to do with games.

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No subject
May 28, 2003, 21:20
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No subject May 28, 2003, 21:20
May 28, 2003, 21:20
 
oooh 5%!

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Unix
May 28, 2003, 19:35
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Unix May 28, 2003, 19:35
May 28, 2003, 19:35
 
This still should have been filed under "Tech Bits" IMO. Not that its not interesting, it just doesn't seem to have any more gaming importance than the run-of-the-mill microsoft and vivendi stories.

-DSR

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No subject
May 28, 2003, 19:27
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No subject May 28, 2003, 19:27
May 28, 2003, 19:27
 
This relates to gaming because, believe it or not, there are people out there that actually know how to use linux and like to play thier games on it.

Just because you cant handle linux, doesnt mean others cant.

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Relates to games HOW?
May 28, 2003, 19:21
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Relates to games HOW? May 28, 2003, 19:21
May 28, 2003, 19:21
 
....and this is on a video game site why?

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Re: So...
May 28, 2003, 18:35
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Re: So... May 28, 2003, 18:35
May 28, 2003, 18:35
 
Eh, it has the opportunity to improve, it just isn't, which is mildly disappointing.

Right now, it's not a worthwhile gaming platform, and has (imo) limited use as a desktop environment.

I'd love to see it improve, but I'll admit, I'm a geek and enjoy messing around with Linux/UNIX. Oh well.

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So...
May 28, 2003, 18:27
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So... May 28, 2003, 18:27
May 28, 2003, 18:27
 
What does this have to do with gaming again?

Is everyone still under the impressions that Linux is a viable gaming platform? That in the long run, it's going to improve? That the notion of playing games on Linux isn't grossly ridiculous?

Right.

Stick to gaming news, Blue. This isn't gaming news.

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Re: SC Responds!
May 28, 2003, 17:08
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Re: SC Responds! May 28, 2003, 17:08
May 28, 2003, 17:08
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I hope SCO gets their asses handed to them...


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SC Responds!
May 28, 2003, 16:58
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SC Responds! May 28, 2003, 16:58
May 28, 2003, 16:58
 
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030528/law059_1.html

It essentially boils down to the "nu uh, because I have super power wizard armor that's stronger than your raygun" argument, with them claiming their contracts are stronger than the patents.

Hey, they've gone this far, why not make us laugh a little longer?

-DSR <--hasn't seen the slashdot news, but is still excited about Netware 7, and at the same time feels sad for himself for being excited about a fucking network operating system.

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Re: Novell
May 28, 2003, 16:49
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Re: Novell May 28, 2003, 16:49
May 28, 2003, 16:49
 
Eh, they've been in the /. news a bit, with Netware 7 being based on the Linux kernel and all.

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Novell
May 28, 2003, 16:33
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Novell May 28, 2003, 16:33
May 28, 2003, 16:33
 
Ah the great networking OS noone ever hears about anymore still puts its legal foot forward. Good for you Novell, and I happily run Netware servers

-DSR

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blah
May 28, 2003, 16:20
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blah May 28, 2003, 16:20
May 28, 2003, 16:20
 
For the most part, I've found this fiasco about as annoying and useless as the Futuremark/Driver issues fiasco.

WIth the latest Novell statement, this has actually gotten amusing! (;

So, is anything similar going to happen in the Futuremark situation? Is someone going to come out an say that it's all moot due to some lame goings-on at Futuremark?

hah, one can only hope.

... these are the days of our tech-lives ...
... as the tech-world turns ...

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