shack has WAY too many visitors. i mean, you'll usually see at least 4000 posts on the first post of the day, upwards of 500 on each news post. you cant have your voice heard. here, at least theres some sort of identity among the posters. VE3D imo was the best in terms of its community, but thanks to greed (oh whoops, i mean, thanks to VE3D "hanging on a thread"), VE3D has turned into IGN. forget that. they can take their giant weed advertising you see before you get into VE3D and shove it up their bank accounts. sideways.