BUT EVERY ASSHOLE can make a new human being, and ruin his/her life. there should be a parent-licence. then we wouldnt need such laws, and a lot of other things would change to good.

Ahem.. there's another country that does this. China. Do we really want to start modelling our social policy after them? Families are allowed ONE child, and they have to register for and receive approval BEFORE conception. Any other children from that marriage are killed or taken to another family.

As for myself, my wife and I have two children, and while we're not Harvard-educated professionals, we're both having to work full time JUST to pay the bills. Please don't lecture anyone on this type of situation unless you're in it. To do so is just asinine.

you know what? most messed up (if not all) people are messed up BECAUSE OF THEIR PARENTS. its quite ironic when you can drive a car, with which you can kill a lot of people if you want so, at 16, but you have to do a licence. you have to have a licence, adequate (spelling?) graduation, etc for leading/having a high position in a big company. you need a licence for flying a plane. you have to have a licence to be a bus driver. you have to become officer in the military to command soldiers, of which some/many will maybe get killed and injured badly -> which will ruin their lives. BUT EVERY ASSHOLE can make a new human being, and ruin his/her life. there should be a parent-licence. then we wouldnt need such laws, and a lot of other things would change to good.

i for one am very glad this law has passed too many murders are happening in our streets if you look at it its mostly gang members and car theives much like grand theft auto in fact this game alone has probably accoutned for many murders because it glorifies the violense and sells in to young children and teaches them to kill ionstead of paying money etc and also to use guns and rob stores this should be stopped all over united states cause its c\orrupting our minDS . anyone who is against this law is probably a mollester or a murderer themselves because why would you want to corrupt a young mind unless yolu are deviant youself

Sigh, in the 1990's your average white collar worker owned his own house, had a yard, two cars in the garage, some kids, and a general feeling of well being. He had a wife who had the freedom to do what she wanted, took care of the kids, had time to make friends with the neighbors.

This is not a true statement. In fact, much of what you say has no basis in fact. *sigh*, lol, I hate people who sigh so much.

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Yeah, well, if the 50's were so great, why did those kids grow up to be the hippie's of the 60's? It seems like the parents of the 50's were the real failures.

Oh please, it's easy to wax nostalgic for the "better" times but it's just viewing things through rose-colored glasses to match your world view. Humans never change, they were just as stupid in the 50's as they are today.

I'll tell you what did change, the middle class in the US went from blue-collar to white-collar. Sigh, in the 1990's your average white collar worker owned his own house, had a yard, two cars in the garage, some kids, and a general feeling of well being. He had a wife who had the freedom to do what she wanted, took care of the kids, had time to make friends with the neighbors.

Stop falling victim to the simplistic method of a small elite convincing the masses to blame their problems on a scapegoat. Oh, and have a nice day.

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Goddamn you, Joe Lieberman!

That is too simplistic of an answer for me. The work force has been doubled for years now. More than long enough for the economy to grow and accomodate the women entering the work force.

Fair enough, it is too simplistic. I don't want to write a paper, but think of this. In the 1950's, your average blue collar worker owned his own house, had a yard, two cars in the garage, some kids, and a general feeling of well being. He had a wife who didn't work, took care of the kids, had time to make friends with the neighbors.

Compare that now with today's blue collar working family, and it's just a joke. Where did we go wrong?

I don't care which parent is home so long as one of them is taking care of the little buggers.

Equal rights? Fair enough, but not at cost of the children.

And women shouldn't work obstinately just because they can at the cost of their children.

Babies are real people too. You can't just treat them like a commodity. You don't leave it at home like a dog while you're at work. It's going to grow up to be a real human being like the rest of us, and if it doesn't get the right attention when its young it will be messed up to some degree.

I'm sick of people treating babies like a fashion accesory. People carrying kids round in their stupid baby Gap clothes and tiny Nike shoes, then leaving them at home while they work 50 hour weeks to pay for all the dumb clothes they're buying them. It's a baby! A real person! If you don't care enough for a child to actually spend time with it, don't have one.

At least one parent should be home with a child. If the worst comes to the worst get some kind of part time deal going on so each parent works part time during that time.

Good grief.

Oh, well it IS gratifying to finally meet the person who knows everything.

Now that we have that out of the way!

I qualified it with "I think", whereas you seem to state your point like a god given fact.

My thoughts are opinions like yours. I just stated them in a stronger fashion huh?

Many married couples need both incomes just to put a roof over their heads and food on the table for them and the kids.

I can understand this. However, the area of the country I live in is fairly well off and what I see and hear on a daily basis is couples that are working to support a lifestyle that is not necessary.

What went wrong? Well, by doubling the workforce without adding any new jobs beforehand, it created a situation where the companys could shit on their employees to make more money for their shareholders. You'll work for less, or you won't work at all. We're cutting your benefits, but you should be thankful that you have a job.

That is too simplistic of an answer for me. The work force has been doubled for years now. More than long enough for the economy to grow and accomodate the women entering the work force.




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Nope. Equal rights for women is a testiment to the strength of our ideals. You are close tho...

Oh, well it IS gratifying to finally meet the person who knows everything. LOL Bronco, it was an opinion. I qualified it with "I think", whereas you seem to state your point like a god given fact.

BTW, it's not all about privlege and mansions. Many married couples need both incomes just to put a roof over their heads and food on the table for them and the kids. And that's without Expedition payments, but just trying to keep the old junker running to get them to work.

What went wrong? Well, by doubling the workforce without adding any new jobs beforehand, it created a situation where the companys could shit on their employees to make more money for their shareholders. You'll work for less, or you won't work at all. We're cutting your benefits, but you should be thankful that you have a job.

but I think in the future, history will show that equal rights for women was the begenning of our downfall as a nation.

Nope. Equal rights for women is a testiment to the strength of our ideals. You are close tho...

Ask yourself this...

Why are kids treated as disposable objects now? Why are they viewed by many as just another accessory to go along with all of the other material possesions, to be placed in the McMansions that are empty during the week because both parents need to work to keep up with the $2500 a month mortgage and the $700 a month lease payment on the Expedition.

Why? What happened?


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On the law itself, it's a feel good issue that both sides of the aisle like. Kids are a hot button issue that both sides want to own. That's why you have Joe Lieberman attacking the industry just as much as many conservatives.

I think the industry goofed on this one. The movie industry ran into the same problems and managed to lobby their way into keeping their rating system. Maybe the games industry needs to hire better lobbyists?


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Helping parents do their jobs eh? There was a time in life when 1 parent was always home. When families were not so concerned with keeping up with the Joneses and having that new house/car/boat/widescreen TV/ etc etc etc. When companies were not so into their bottom lines that they were not going out of their ways to tell employees that their jobs are NOT safe, and didn`t force everyone to kill themselves at work so they wouldn`t lose their jobs.

Nowadays because of these things, we have the nuclear 2 income families. So... wtf is watching the kids? Some total stranger. Or the TV, video game machines, PC games etc etc etc. In alot of ways the world has become a better place, but in just as many ways we have lost our morals and the good values we used to hold in such high regard.
It is nice to want to better oneself, but does anyone really think of the price in the long run? Think about it.

This is one of the best posts I've ever read on Blues. You can call me a sexist pig if you want, but I think in the future, history will show that equal rights for women was the begenning of our downfall as a nation. All the sudden, we practically doubled the potential workforce, and never had double the jobs. People started working for less money, jobs lost security, and before too long it crippled the average family to the point that both parents had to work to pull in what one parent used to get before. Sometimes less if you consider insurance and job security.

This gave birth to the idea of "latchkey kids", kids with their own key to get in the house and no supervision once they got there. Many times what some of you call bad parenting is actually just extended stretches of NO parenting. Some of these people may be great parents, when they can, but if both of them work, little JR. has time to get into all kinds of shit for himself when they both aren't around.

As far as games go, when I was a kid, we didn't HAVE games, we had BB guns. Which one do you think caused society (our immediate society around us) more of a problem? I don't actually think that making two different sets of pixels collide violently on an electronic screen has any impact on whether or not your child grows up to be a psycho killer. In fact, I feel the opposite. A violent video game can be an outlet for frustration. I think you should need to be 18 to buy a bag of Dorritos, though. They do more damage to society than videogames. Look at all of our poor fat kids today. Heart attacks will cut them down in their prime earning years, depriving our government of much needed tax dollars, possibly endangering their ability to friviously spend money drafting laws no one needed in the first place.

I think this and similar laws will hurt consoles much more than PC games, in the short term and ultimately lead to more piracy of PC games. The portibility of PC games over the internet or the availability of no-cd cracks gives PC games greater availability outside of normal retail channels. Any minor who now knows that he cannot simply walk into a store and buy GTA:Vice City will turn to the multitude of sources on the web and pick it up, with NO revenues going back to developers. This law demonstrates the lack of understanding of the industry, you can't apply the same tactics to interactive entertainment that you do to movies.

"Retail employees who sell these games to minors are subject to fines of up to $500"

why single out minors? they work in dangerous conditions, surely they deserve to play any game they want?

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i for one am very glad this law has passed too many murders are happening in our streets if you look at it its mostly gang members and car theives much like grand theft auto in fact this game alone has probably accoutned for many murders because it glorifies the violense and sells in to young children and teaches them to kill ionstead of paying money etc and also to use guns and rob stores this should be stopped all over united states cause its c\orrupting our minDS . anyone who is against this law is probably a mollester or a murderer themselves because why would you want to corrupt a young mind unless yolu are deviant youself

This is rated R, for Retarded. It should be based on the rating.

The government is taking over from the parents because loads of parents really suck! Parents don't care what their kids are doing, which is really lame. Games and TV become babysitters. Until parents act responsibly, I see no reason why the government shouldn't do their job for them.

If a parent is doing their job then this should make absolutely 0 difference to their life, so why complain?

"...But look how many seem to get a hold of it eh? lol All this law does..."

Great logic, people still kill people too, maybe we shouldnt have anti murder laws since they obviously don't work. Get a clue man, laws are effective to some degree.

Nobody can force the dumbass teen that works the register to care about checking id's but some will do it, whether you think they will or not.

This comment was edited on May 21, 08:17.