DOOM III Benchmarks

Starting off by saying they have been asked not to comment on game content they got to observe, [H]ardOCP's DOOM 3 Benchmarks offer the results of their chance to check out the performance of id Software's latest game engine running on NVIDIA hardware. They go into the methodology they used, the efforts taken to not allow NVIDIA to artificially make themselves look better, the make-up of their test system, and of course, the benchmark results. Update: There turn out to be similar articles on Tom's Hardware Guide and Anandtech (if you can get through). In further DOOM-related news, 'Doom' returns in all its gory (thanks HomeLan Fed) is a USA Today article on the game featuring many quotes from the folks at id and related industry pundits. Here's a bit on system requirements:
In recent years, game publishers have tried to boost sales by tuning their games to work well on mid-level systems. The new Doom ''is the only game that developers are comfortable expecting the core audience to upgrade for,'' says Rob Smith of PC Gamer magazine. Id has not yet set minimum hardware requirements, but the game certainly will run better with a new $300 graphics card or with Intel's fastest Pentium chip, a $400 premium over lesser machines.

Driving the complexity, in part, is the intricate lighting, says id co-founder and technical director John Carmack. ''The way (Doom III's) graphics engine has turned out is that all of the things that people do with cinematic lighting (in movies) are directly applicable to games for really the first time,'' says Carmack, who was only 23 when he was the lead programmer for the original.
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Re: On Stalker...
May 13, 2003, 14:48
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Re: On Stalker... May 13, 2003, 14:48
May 13, 2003, 14:48
 
the mip maps are not mipping on the map with trioscelating nano modules

Dude, that sounds like a seriously 733T game! When is it out, and how much do I have to spend on upgrades in order to be able to play it?

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Things they don't want you to know
May 13, 2003, 08:56
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Things they don't want you to know May 13, 2003, 08:56
May 13, 2003, 08:56
 
Doom III is actually part of president’s bush’s economic stimulus plan.

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Re: On Stalker...
May 13, 2003, 06:24
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May 13, 2003, 06:24
 
Quest - The working title of Id's new project before they decided to go with Doom3. Now some of the ideas behind that project are in development at Nerve, in the Doom3 engine.

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Re: On Stalker...
May 13, 2003, 05:59
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May 13, 2003, 05:59
 
Quest? must have missed that one.

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Re: On Stalker...
May 13, 2003, 05:37
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Re: On Stalker... May 13, 2003, 05:37
May 13, 2003, 05:37
 
I don't think Stalker can be compared to Doom3.
Stalker is a realistic squad-based tactical shooter and Doom3's only strategic element is weapons reloading. Plus Stalker has much more open terrain-sniping stuff, whereas Doom3 doesn't even have a railgun.

That said, Doom3 is going to set a standard for pc gaming, large firms will licence the engine, others will copy it's qualities. Stalker, most likely, will not.
So gamers will upgrade for Doom3 quality graphics, whether they will do it for Doom3, Prey (hahahaha), Quake4 or Quest is the question.

I, personally, will be upgradeding for Doom3. If it's not for the game, it's for its editing and scripting tools.

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Re: On Stalker...
May 13, 2003, 04:32
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May 13, 2003, 04:32
 
Well given the choice of a game with graphics as good as stalker running at 100 FPS or a game with graphics like Doom III running at 30 FPS I know what the majority will choose. I don't give a monkeys if the sky is not rendered in real time or if the mip maps are not mipping on the map with trioscelating nano modules If Stalker is "Old School" looking like that at 100 FPS and Doom III is "New school" looking only slightly better running at 30 FPS then NEW SCHOOL SUCKS!!!

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Budget hardware
May 13, 2003, 04:27
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May 13, 2003, 04:27
 
I'd imagine the average Joe picking this game up would be able to play it fine as they're unlikely to have a 21" monitor and so will be happy to play in 800x600 or (dare I say it) 640x480. Any hardware that can squeeze 40 fps out of Doom3 at those resolutions would be fine for 'softcore' gamers.

For a sobering trip down memory lane check these benchmarks for Quake 2 from 1998 (Quake 2 was already six months old at this stage):

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/19980902/voodoo-21.html

67 fps on a top of the range rig, running at 640x480 - and only the mega-rich could afford the TWO voodoo IIs necessary to get this score.

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Re: will there by any beholders?
May 13, 2003, 04:12
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Re: will there by any beholders? May 13, 2003, 04:12
May 13, 2003, 04:12
 
What work do you do? My PC is used probably 85% for work/home management. It runs dev environments and Oracle just fine. Now if you were doing 3d graphics/game design then fair enough - but that is hardly representative.

Most business apps got faster than the users round about the p2-333 mark.

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May 13, 2003, 02:54
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May 13, 2003, 02:54
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Oh my god, how is it possible that a game that looks so good runs so smooth. id does it again. props!
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Re: Wow
May 13, 2003, 01:09
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May 13, 2003, 01:09
 
Currently I'm running an XP2100, 512 MB PC2100, and a Ti4600. This will run Doom 3 at 30+fps at 1280x1024, 32-bit color, and if I want to throw some 4xFSAA in there, bump it down to 1024x768, which is perfectly acceptable. Now these are just my predictions, based on what other cards have scored, because no one has been kind enough to test this, the best GF card before the F/X.

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Re: Wow
May 12, 2003, 23:10
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May 12, 2003, 23:10
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The 5900 Ultra is gonna be $500, the 128Mb version will probably be about $400. How many people do you think will be able to afford a $500 AGP card?

Dude, where have you been? High-end video cards sell just fine...

And yes, ATI will put something better out. It's a constant leap-frog between the two - it's been that way for awhile, and it will continue to be for a long time. If you like ATI, great. If you like Nvidia, great.

Buy something you like, and don't let the naysayers pull your chain. There's ALWAYS going to be something better out in 6 months. I like nvidia, you like ATI, and the sun will (probably) still rise tomorrow morning, so it's not the end of the world.


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Re: Wow
May 12, 2003, 21:33
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May 12, 2003, 21:33
 
TangledThorns,

"The 5900 is gonna end up just like the 3Dfx's Voodoo 6000. Doom 3 won't be out till after September and thats when ATI will be gearing up the R400."

Perhaps. But by then who knows what nVidia will have? I don't think anyone is out of the running. We know for sure both card makers are competing hard, but I don't think nVidia has any more chance of disappearing than ATI. If one of the companies hits a horrible cash crunch, then maybe, but if they are shrewd, they should both be back for more after DOOM.

To test the sanity of what you're saying you have to ask yourself: Will ATI disappear if they "lose" this supposed "DOOM III" war? I don't think so.

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May 12, 2003, 21:29
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May 12, 2003, 21:29
 
As the ATI guy points out in the article, the test will have to taken with a grain of salt considering the restrictive circumstances surrounding them. True or not I'm not sure but he did sound fairly non-plussed by it all adding that , "We're feeling pretty good about the whole thing actually." Maybe ATI is going o throw two chips on their next card??? Dear God!!! Will nVidia be making another release before years end? I mean one that actually makes it to the consumer??? I hope so.

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On Stalker...
May 12, 2003, 20:38
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May 12, 2003, 20:38
 
#44 Bingo,

Although "Stalker" looks good and some of the screenshots I've seen look downright fabulous, it is still mostly old tech. It is not as advanced as DOOM III. The main difference is that it uses higher resolution textures and many more polygons than past games. This is still good, but I don't think it is quite what you're making it out to be.

The Stalker engine looks like another incarnation of the same approach that Unreal Tournament 2003 is using, although it may not even be that advanced. When you look at the weapons, items and player hands/arms, you see that nothing has really changed from the past. Its one texture plus lightmap, which hasn't changed much since Quake. THAT is why it is faster!

One thing it has is fairly nice skybox textures. They show a lot of screenshots on their website to show them off. I guess that is supposed to let us know that Stalker has a lot of "outdoor" areas. But no one should be fooled into thinking the game can actually render those skies in real time or anything. In fact, they look like digital photographs plastered into an otherwise quite ordinary rendering engine. Again, this looks nicer, but it is not a major advance.

I think the guys building the Stalker game are doing a fine job given what they have to work with. I also think for some games, especially heavily "outdoor" ones, doing it the "Stalker" way is probably best due to resource constraints. Its "quantity" over "quality" at this point.

P.S.:

Here is a perfect example. Look at this shot:

http://www.stalker-game.com/download/gallery/screenshots/sb_xray_24.jpg

Now, at first glance, it looks great. But actually the textures are all simple, flat and "matte" or "dull" and have no other surface properties although they are quite expertly done. These are typical "old school" graphics. Also, the shadows are clearly all part of static lightmaps. The gun and the hand are statically lit with the shadows "painted" on, just like every game since Quake 1. The gun might be shaded on a "per polygon" basis like most games, but will certainly be blended with the lightmap as usual. Again, this is quite typical.

There is no doubt that games look better with high resolution texures, as can be seen in the Stalker game. But the tech is still basically the same as before.
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Re: Wow
May 12, 2003, 20:12
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May 12, 2003, 20:12
 
This is apparently big news, since it's even made an article on Reuters :

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=2726856

ATI better get their stuff together, because this is starting to reek of bad publicity for them.


You're a n00b and so is Rueters so stfu. The 5900 Ultra is gonna be $500, the 128Mb version will probably be about $400. How many people do you think will be able to afford a $500 AGP card? The 5900 is gonna end up just like the 3Dfx's Voodoo 6000. Doom 3 won't be out till after September and thats when ATI will be gearing up the R400.


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Wow
May 12, 2003, 19:44
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May 12, 2003, 19:44
 
This is apparently big news, since it's even made an article on Reuters :

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=2726856

ATI better get their stuff together, because this is starting to reek of bad publicity for them.

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Re: No fair!
May 12, 2003, 19:34
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May 12, 2003, 19:34
 
I think this is a very one-sided view of performance from both chipmakers. Nvidia's drivers are just better tweaked for Doom3, Ati's aren't, yet. But it's probably Id's stab back at Ati for leaking the alpha demo last year (or it would be, if they had).

I think you're right there WW3. reading the HardOCP article it struck me as bit sad the amount of security that had to be done in order for them just to run their benchmarks (some poor sap from Nvidia had to hang around for 16 hours babysitting the HD the game was on). It also wasn't lost on me that the guy minding the test build was from Nvidia and not iD (and certainly not ATi...lol).


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No fair!
May 12, 2003, 19:11
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May 12, 2003, 19:11
 
I think this is a very one-sided view of performance from both chipmakers. Nvidia's drivers are just better tweaked for Doom3, Ati's aren't, yet. But it's probably Id's stab back at Ati for leaking the alpha demo last year (or it would be, if they had).

Still it's nice to see that Doom3's performance has dramatically increased since that alpha leak. Running the game @1600x1200 isn't going to be a problem for a mediocore videocard by the end of the year.

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You can.

Just not that well.

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Back in the day they were saying that games like DX2 and Doom III could be played on Geforce3's...
There was only one catch and that was Catch-22
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