Out of the Blue

Out first winter in this house was two years ago, and the snow was pretty extreme, about half-way through the season I began to regret not having sprung for a snow-blower. Last year we had hardly any snow at all, making me feel smart for having not succumbed to that snow-blower temptation late in the previous winter. On the other hand, this year has been one of the most extreme I can ever recall, and here we are in the first week of March, and sure enough it is snowing heavily once again. Since this is the month that comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb, it certainly seems too late in the season to go for the automated snow remover, and if the pattern from last time follows, one won't be needed for next year either, but I may just try and be smart about this (for a change) and try to pick one up during the off season after spring has sprung. Of course, as luck would have it, if I pick up a snow blower, we'll probably go ten straight years without a flake, but at this point, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Yeesh.

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No subject
Mar 7, 2003, 15:30
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Mar 7, 2003, 15:30
 
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but could something please be done with that movie ad on the site? The Hunted or whatever the new Jones movie is. It continually crashes my browser. I'm using Opera, which does conform to standards, so the problem has to be with the ad. Remove it, fix it, something. I can't browser the page without crashing when I do something.

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Re: Even got a name for em...
Mar 7, 2003, 12:29
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Re: Even got a name for em... Mar 7, 2003, 12:29
Mar 7, 2003, 12:29
 
BLUE GET THE SOUND OFF YER WEBSITE IT BOTHERS ME

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Even got a name for em...
Mar 7, 2003, 06:47
31.
Even got a name for em... Mar 7, 2003, 06:47
Mar 7, 2003, 06:47
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Peace T-shirt
Mar 7, 2003, 01:47
30.
Peace T-shirt Mar 7, 2003, 01:47
Mar 7, 2003, 01:47
 
There does seem to be more the story than that article says. The Smoking Gun (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/) has the complaint paperwork. The actual complaint seems to be that this guy was stopping other shoppers and harassing them.

This comment was edited on Mar 7, 01:48.
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Re: Public accomodation
Mar 6, 2003, 22:32
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Re: Public accomodation Mar 6, 2003, 22:32
Mar 6, 2003, 22:32
 
The mall is a public accomodation. If you build a structure intended for public use then you are bound by certain well-established laws. You can't build a mall and ban, say, black people or jews from shopping there. You can do so in your own home, but not a mall, or office, or factory. That's the law, like it or not.

The mall is not public, regardless if it is "open to the public" or not. Again, they can choose to ask someone to leave for almost any reason. Specific laws prevent discrimination based on race, creed etc, but do not prevent speech or t-shirt descrimination. Again, the mall has a right to ask anyone to leave if they don't like their t-shirt. If they do not leave, they are trespassing and can be arrested.

Don't take this post to mean I support such behavior... I find it abhorable. But it is their right to kick him out if they wish.

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Re: Peace T-shirt
Mar 6, 2003, 20:15
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Re: Peace T-shirt Mar 6, 2003, 20:15
Mar 6, 2003, 20:15
 
First of all, I would like to say that this story was in the news on MONDAY, so why it's being posted here on Thursday as "news" is rather peculiar.

However, if you will look at the particulars of the case, the man got arrested (in the end) for failing to observe directions by mall security personnel (which is an offense in many states). His arrest had nothing to do with his Tshirt, but CNN and MSNBC in all their liberal glory like to word their stories so that it APPEARS that way, after all, nothing like another "EeEeeEEEvil Big Brother!!!" story to ratchet up those ratings.

Now, that the security guys HASSLED the man about his Tshirt is freaking absurd, and borders on Gestapo like behavior, and should absolutely not be condoned in this country. Freedom of opinion, security guys, ever heard of it?

However, as unfortunate as it may be, once told to leave the mall, the man had to obey that order, and he didn't, and that's what he got arrested for.

I'm sure that, once this goes to court, he'll be acquitted and if I was him I'd sue both those Nazis for harassment, slander and defamation of character (or something fancy sounding like that).

Sorry, just now saw that the charges had already (wisely) been dropped.

But, once again, he DID NOT get arrested for wearing a peace Tshirt.

Just figured I'd clear that up.

Creston

Btw, crispy, that's a very nice neighborhood you're living in

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Peace T-shirt
Mar 6, 2003, 19:25
Jim
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Peace T-shirt Mar 6, 2003, 19:25
Mar 6, 2003, 19:25
Jim
 
I do not understand why he was arrested, or why wearing the T-shirt would be considered any sort of offense. The only thing I can think of is that he took off his other shirt (the one he was wearing before he bought the T-shirt), and was topless in public before putting the new T-shirt on, but the article doesn't specify that.

Its not like the T-shirt had any offensive slogans on it either. It doesn't make sense to me, and sounds rather un-American.

BTW, don't be fooled by my hair, I am in favor of regime change in Baghdad.
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Re: Peace lawsuit
Mar 6, 2003, 18:09
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Re: Peace lawsuit Mar 6, 2003, 18:09
Mar 6, 2003, 18:09
 
Same as you don't sue a gun shop when someone shoots someone.

Obviously he bought a controversial t-shirt with no intention of wearing it.

I'd love to get thrown out of somewhere for wearing an offensive shirt. It's that kind of idiotic law that shows how dumb the world has become. Oooh, there's a plan... I should go into French Connection wearing my "fcuk can scuk my ccok" shirt.

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Re: Electric Boogaloo!
Mar 6, 2003, 17:05
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Re: Electric Boogaloo! Mar 6, 2003, 17:05
Mar 6, 2003, 17:05
 
Don't forget that you'd be dragging that 500' ext. cord thru water (albeit frozen). Not a good thing...

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Re: Peace lawsuit
Mar 6, 2003, 16:25
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Re: Peace lawsuit Mar 6, 2003, 16:25
Mar 6, 2003, 16:25
 
He bought the t-shirt at the mall, why not go after the vendor?

Because the vendor wasn't the one wearing the t-shirt

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16 Eggs
Mar 6, 2003, 15:38
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16 Eggs Mar 6, 2003, 15:38
Mar 6, 2003, 15:38
 
I think 16 or 17 eggs is the MAX you can possibly catch.

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Re: Electric Boogaloo!
Mar 6, 2003, 15:35
Bronco
 
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Re: Electric Boogaloo! Mar 6, 2003, 15:35
Mar 6, 2003, 15:35
 Bronco
 
Electric snowblowers? Lawnmowers I can see. You'd be dragging a 500' extension cord behind you to do the sidewalks and driveway at my place.

http://www.braglio.org/images/Family/EandDfirstsnowmanof2003.jpg

This is from the first 4" we were hit with this year. I don't have anything scanned in from the 20" that came later on.

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Grim Future for World's Water
Mar 6, 2003, 15:32
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Grim Future for World's Water Mar 6, 2003, 15:32
Mar 6, 2003, 15:32
 
looks like France should quit surrendering to everyone and build some water sanitation plants....idiots

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Mini eggs
Mar 6, 2003, 15:31
20.
Mini eggs Mar 6, 2003, 15:31
Mar 6, 2003, 15:31
 
MMMM...Cadbury mini eggs....

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Rhyming
Mar 6, 2003, 15:29
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Rhyming Mar 6, 2003, 15:29
Mar 6, 2003, 15:29
 
we'll probably go ten straight years without a flake, but at this point, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Blue, your a poet and didn't know it!!!

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Re: Public accomodation
Mar 6, 2003, 15:20
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Re: Public accomodation Mar 6, 2003, 15:20
Mar 6, 2003, 15:20
 
Oh and I agree with Rigs. We need some pictures of all the snow

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Re: Public accomodation
Mar 6, 2003, 13:39
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Re: Public accomodation Mar 6, 2003, 13:39
Mar 6, 2003, 13:39
 
"Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in misconduct."
So this guy can get Judges fired?
If he was harassing other customers I would understand the guards asking him to leave, but asking someone to take off their shirt in order to stop harassment seems a bit crazy
A guy here in Utah was forced to leave a Mall because he was wearing a dress. I'm not sure if he has won that lawsuit.
Oh and I agree with Rigs. We need some pictures of all the snow


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Electric Boogaloo!
Mar 6, 2003, 13:29
16.
Electric Boogaloo! Mar 6, 2003, 13:29
Mar 6, 2003, 13:29
 
Remember, never buy gas snowblowers and lawnmowers. They're an an environmental nightmare. Stick with electric.


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Re: Public accomodation
Mar 6, 2003, 13:07
Bronco
 
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Re: Public accomodation Mar 6, 2003, 13:07
Mar 6, 2003, 13:07
 Bronco
 
I'm glad to see that there are a few fellow skeptics left out there that won't take everything they read at face value.

There are next to no real details here but...

I worked in several malls for the same company when I was in the retail racket.

It would not suprise me to find out that the security guards involved in this are over zealous wanna-be cops.

I could easily see some of the security guards where I worked getting into a 'patriotic' based argument with a shopper or other mall employee.
Sad but true.

The company I worked for was sued for millions of dollars (and settled out of court) because of sub-contracted security guards taking company shrink policy into their own hands.

These guys can get a little nutty.

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Re: Public accomodation
Mar 6, 2003, 12:51
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Re: Public accomodation Mar 6, 2003, 12:51
Mar 6, 2003, 12:51
 
That being said, I suspect there's more to this story than is being reported.

First thing I thought of. Something doesn't seem quite right.

Heh, I'm glad to see that there are a few fellow skeptics left out there that won't take everything they read at face value.

Personally, I'd like to see a picture of the shirt in question.
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