It's a separate install and you can run both at the same time if you want. So installing or uninstalling won't affect your IE what so ever.

Is it like a new browser all together or does it just change the existing. I'd prefer it to change the existing.




Dan
Intel 486SX, Trident video, 8MB RAM, 14" Generic Monitor, 100 MB HDD, Windows 3.11

"Also if you want to close all the IE's at once you right click on one of them on the taskbar and close group will be an option I believe and that should clear them all."
I did not know that!
However I would recommend Netcaptor if you want to try an IE mod. It's virtually identical to IE, keeps the same favourites, except it's a browser with more features.

firefly did really suck ass though. I watched a few episodes and the concept of space cowboys was really lame.

And calling me fredrickson isn't insulting since he is like a god to me. All hail fredrickson! I love thee so!


Dan
Intel 486SX, Trident video, 8MB RAM, 14" Generic Monitor, 100 MB HDD, Windows 3.11

I'm using opera at work to expand on my browser knowledge (and because someone broke IE somehow and its not my problem to fix it). I managed to get the icons small like I have it in IE. I've been messing around with tabbed browsing too. It would be useful but why is it putting 2 webpages side by side? Is there a way I can put it so they are on top of eachother? That would make a lot more sense. I don't really mind having lots of IE's taking up space on my taskbar. I run at 1280x1024 resolution with a double task bar (top one for quicklaunch and address and bottom for tasks) so I have plenty of space. Also if you want to close all the IE's at once you right click on one of them on the taskbar and close group will be an option I believe and that should clear them all.

Anyways, I'm giving opera a chance but I really doubt I'll give up IE for it. If I enjoy tabbed browsing I'll check out one of those front ends that people here were talking about. I don't really think I need that gestures feature since the button on either side of my mouse is for going back and forward. Oh well.

Edit: err I see how to make them tile horizontally now... whoops.

Dan
Intel 486SX, Trident video, 8MB RAM, 14" Generic Monitor, 100 MB HDD, Windows 3.11
This comment was edited on Feb 19, 18:08.

I've always felt that with the larger, and in some cases, irreplaceable role that computers play in our lives that there sould be a universal\free\government sposored OS. I know there is Linux but I'm talking about something that you can play games on and my buddies can use without phoning me up every 10 minutes. I know this runs counter to free market, capitalist thinking but needing to purchase an OS for a computer is almost like needing one to use your phone, listen to the radio or watch TV! Ferchrissakes, why doesn't the government just give Microsft and Apple half our taxes and we'll call it even.

Mouse gestures in Opera are where you right click anywhere in the web page and flick the mouse forward or back to surf instead of the back/forward button on the top bar.

Seems like a small thing but I love it. I was just looking at the rest of them, haven't use those yet but they look cool:

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Navigation gestures
Action
How to do it
Go to previous page
Method 1: hold right button, click left button
Method 2: hold right button, move mouse left


Go to next page
Method 1: hold left button, click right button
Method 2: hold right button, move right


Go to parent directory
Hold right button, move up then left
Go to home page
Double-click in empty page
Reload page
Hold right button, move up then down
Stop loading
Hold right button, move up

Page gestures
Action
How to do it
Browse in new page
Method 1: hold right button, move down
Method 2: double-click in workspace


Duplicate page
Hold right button, move down then up
Restore or maximize page
Hold right button, move up then right
Minimize page
Hold right button, move down then left
Close page
Method 1: hold right button, move down then right
Method 2: hold right button, move right left right



Link gestures
Action
How to do it
Open link in new page
Move mouse pointer to link and hold right button, move down
Open link in new background page
Move mouse pointer to link and hold right button, move down then up

Wheel gestures
Action
How to do it
Scroll up and down
Roll mouse wheel up and down
Jump from one page to the next
Hold right mouse button, roll mouse wheel
Zoom in and out
Hold Ctrl key, roll mouse wheel
Move back and forth in page history
Hold Shift key, roll mouse wheel
Panning
Click mouse wheel, move mouse

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This comment was edited on Feb 19, 17:50.

Hey Dan, tabbed browsing, for me anyways, is a lot more handy than opening 10 IEs. The tabs are more legible than the task bar. This alone I like because I always navigate websites or Google with the "open in a new window" command and sometimes before I know I have a dozen windows open. They can also all be closed instantly because you only have one browser open. Netscape also has it and I'm surprised that IE hasn't incorporated it yet. It's something that one can grow fond of very quickly.

P.S. I've yet to see a John Cusack movie that I thought was great or even really good. This bothers me because I really want to like his movies... I really do!

Yeah, it's Darwin Unix, but close enough That's the cool thing. You've got this OS that is simple on the surface for the masses, stable and robust (Unix/Linux) underneath the skin for power users/admins like you and I. I'm hoping they do it, and I want to buy a machine as a show of my support. Carmack has been pushing them to take it to the next level for years.

I don't own an OSX machine yet, but I hope to get one this year as a 4th machine at home. Let's hope Apple doesn't screw this up.

Agreed. All that needs to come along now are the games, and I'll be on borad.

Where the games go, I'll follow, but OS X already looks pretty cool. It's even linux based, so that gives me a head-start on understanding its innards.

Jeff
Edit: D'Oh! it's != its

This comment was edited on Feb 19, 17:18.

firefly sucked ass

Oh, quit trying to pick fights. Soon we'll have to call you fredrickson.

Jeff

firefly sucked ass


Dan
Intel 486SX, Trident video, 8MB RAM, 14" Generic Monitor, 100 MB HDD, Windows 3.11

On a related note, I think Apple has a shot at screwing MS up bigtime if they do the right thing. They should be able to deliver what Linux (and the billion flavors of it) have been promising for ever: An OS that is, at the same time:

*Super Stable
*Extremely Simple to use (for those who need it to be)
*Extremely Robust (for admins, power users and server use)
*Pretty (believe it or not, people do care how it looks)

I don't own an OSX machine yet, but I hope to get one this year as a 4th machine at home. Let's hope Apple doesn't screw this up.

Jeff, as I said, the post was not directed at you so much as the people I have heard use the "I use windows only for gaming" while PREACHING the use of alternatives like Linux, ad swearing off MS as an evil empire. Some people DO take the Linux/Windows argument to a "religious" level, believe me.

Microsoft may be a "fairly despicable company", but show me a large corporation that isn't!

Cool off man, I didn't intend to fire you up.

To be honest, I would LOVE, and I mean LOVE to see Linux and the related products become as useable to the everyday moron as Windows is. It would mean lower prices on everything and more competition which translates to better software and happy users.

If you want to be hardcore here, this "I only use Windows for gaming" idea is a joke. If you are truly against everything Microsoft stands for, then there is no excuse for using Windows for ANY reason. Here is a parallel example of your stance, which uses religion and porn:

Whoah! That right there is far enough... do you only live in a world of black and white? Comparing my dislike of Microsoft to a religion shows just how much you've misunderstood me. (and, since you weren't directing it directly at me, I'll speak for other gamers who love to hate Microsoft.)

I don't like Microsoft as a corporation. This statement is not at odds with my ever using any Microsoft product. Holy crap, if I had to boycott any company that ever does something I didn't like, I'd be living in an igloo in the Yukon somewhere. Naked. (Fox cancelled Firefly *and* Futurama! Bastards! But I still watch the Simpsons. I just like Rupert Murdoch less. )

I try to approach everything with some perspective. Microsoft is a fairly despicable company. I don't like most of their business practices. However, I'm a realist, and I love gaming as entertainment.

If I were a zealot, that would make me hypocritical. Luckily, I am not clinically insane. (Unlike people who call Jihads, etc...) I don't make a religion of this, nor should anyone.

Would I like to realistically be able to play all the cool games out there in Linux? You betcha. Will that happen in the next decade? Not bloody likely. I like gaming so much that it overcomes my personal loathing of Bill Gates.

I can live with this internal emotional dichotomy. Do you only have love/hate relationships? No? Then why assume everyone else does?

Jeff
Edit: clarification.

This comment was edited on Feb 19, 16:53.

Anyone else love Grosse Pointe Blank?

How can anyone not love that movie?

If you have the chance, rent "The Sure Thing" with John Cusack, it is - IMO - similarly excellent.

Glad to be discussing something other than browsers, and shamelessly copying Ray's sign-off,

-=(Maverick)=-

This isn’t aimed directly at you, Jeff, but since you said it in one of your posts, I figured I will address it. I hear it all the time…….

If you want to be hardcore here, this "I only use Windows for gaming" idea is a joke. If you are truly against everything Microsoft stands for, then there is no excuse for using Windows for ANY reason. Here is a parallel example of your stance, which uses religion and porn:

“I am a man of god, and I follow the word of the Bible. All of you are going to hell of you don’t give yourselves over to the lord as I have………………. Never you mind that I run a porn site, cause I need the money right now….times are tough and Satan provides me with what need, though only for now. When I don’t need the money any more, I will stop running my porn site.”

What you are essentially saying is, you are anti-MS, but you are ok with using their software as long as it suits your needs…since you have no alternative. Anyway you look at it, even if you STEAL the software, you are still supporting Microsoft, and you are not standing by your own spouted convictions.

hahahaha,

Yeah I thought you were calling us geeks....lol! Too funny. It's a fun argument though, I hear it from the less electronically inclined sometimes online. It's fun to challenge it

Did you think I was calling you guys majorgeeks? Majorgeeks was the username of the guy that told me what the tabbing was. I'm assuming he's with the site of the same name.


Dan
Intel 486SX, Trident video, 8MB RAM, 14" Generic Monitor, 100 MB HDD, Windows 3.11

Majorgeeks.... hahaha I love that. People actually think that if you are deeply into computers, including your career, that you are some kind of pocket-protector wearing dipshit. Got news for you, this isn't the 80's. How many "majorgeeks" do you know that can hand build a 400+ hp high performance engine, go rock climbing, snowboarding, jet skiing, wakeboarding, write music, play instruments, etc.? Answer: LOTS OF THEM. I'm sorry if your IQ limits you to only being involved in a single complex activity in your life, but that isn't true of all of us.

Your stereotype "geek" view is from the 80's. Find a new one. If anything, I am a techno-snob lol!

Jeff:

I respect your point of view, but I don't buy into the Microsoft monopoly crap. Let's face it, if there was better stuff out there, people would buy it. Using Macromedia as an example again, they excel in many places MS cannot, which is why Macromedia's prices are so high. They don't really have any competition either. It's a fact that ANY successful business will charge as much as they can if the competition is slim. It's also a fact that they all use strong-arm tactics to get their way. It always has been and always will be. You don't think Pepsi or Coke do the same shit, or maybe Dell or HP? They all do. Singling out MS is a waste of time. You might as well just boycott all large corporations, then you can be a real anti-establishment neo-hippy.