Out of the Blue

Well I'm glad I mentioned that unsolicited pop-up dealie yesterday, because a forum comment made it clear that what I was suffering from was not a scumware situation, but rather a method for exploiting an internal Windows service. Thankfully indiv posted a link to the Stop Messenger Spam website, which clearly explained the problem, and how to solve it. Whew!

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It took this long?
Feb 6, 2003, 09:54
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It took this long? Feb 6, 2003, 09:54
Feb 6, 2003, 09:54
 
I can't believe it took you this long to get a messenger spam Blue.

I finally made the jump to 2K from win98 in the fall and I think I got my first message about 2 days later.

Hopefully that doesn't mean that some amazing streak of luck has just ended for you.
-Mission
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No doubt
Feb 6, 2003, 10:07
Wolfen
 
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No doubt Feb 6, 2003, 10:07
Feb 6, 2003, 10:07
 Wolfen
 
I got those two. They used to kill my DAOC cuase it was like alt tabbing out. I know that basically your supposed to turn windows messaging to manual through some system tool in the control panel, I forgot where, but it was a pretty easy fix lol.

As for one of these links today, the Active camo looks fake. There is no real point of reference behind the person. Those cars would have been good to see half in and out of the body.

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No firewall?
Feb 6, 2003, 10:36
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No firewall? Feb 6, 2003, 10:36
Feb 6, 2003, 10:36
 
I'm amazed that more people don't have more personal firewalls these days either software (Blackice / Norton Personal Firewall) or some form of hardware (Netscreen 5xp / Sonicwall) that blocks these messanger spam attacks and a dozen others even before it gets to your computer. With more and more people going broadband, one really needs to invest in one. Their becoming a necessity just like Anti-virus at this point and the hardware ones let you do things like NATing but with stateful inspection. Before someone screams that their netgear broadband router has one, I don't trust those POS because usually they just mean some form of NAT with an access-filter.

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Re: No firewall?
Feb 6, 2003, 10:42
Bronco
 
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Re: No firewall? Feb 6, 2003, 10:42
Feb 6, 2003, 10:42
 Bronco
 
I'm amazed that more people don't have more personal firewalls these days either software (Blackice / Norton Personal Firewall) or some form of hardware (Netscreen 5xp / Sonicwall) that blocks these messanger spam attacks and a dozen others even before it gets to your computer.

We use our router NAT along with Zonealarm Pro at work. At home I've never been able to get my wife to tolerate all the time it takes to quiet a firewall down after it's initial installation so we go the NAT route only there.

The messenger spam has been around for at least 6 months now. It is amazing that Blue is only seeing it now. I just turned that service off for a friend last night.

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what?
Feb 6, 2003, 10:52
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what? Feb 6, 2003, 10:52
Feb 6, 2003, 10:52
 
The photograph was taken through a viewfinder that uses a combination of moving images taken behind the wearer to give a transparent effect.

hence, it actually doesn't work with the human eye and is just a camera trick for still photos? hmm.

dave snider
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Re: No firewall?
Feb 6, 2003, 10:53
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Re: No firewall? Feb 6, 2003, 10:53
Feb 6, 2003, 10:53
 
I used to get them, but disabled that service ages ago. Granted, this service shouldn't really be exploitable like this, but all it takes is setting up a PC properly for it to be running smoothly. I don't run anti-virus or a firewall on this PC, as I haven't gotten around to it yet. I'm probably asking for it, but I haven't had a problem so far.

I'm often surprised by the amount of spam people get. I just don't get any sent to my numerous email accounts. Perhaps I've been lucky, or perhaps I'm a deeply boring person who noone has in their Outlook Contacts list.

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Re: No firewall?
Feb 6, 2003, 10:54
nin
 
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Re: No firewall? Feb 6, 2003, 10:54
Feb 6, 2003, 10:54
 nin
 
The messenger spam has been around for at least 6 months now. It is amazing that Blue is only seeing it now. I just turned that service off for a friend last night.

I started getting that last fall. But once I killed the service, no more problems. I've been using Norton Firewall for a few months now and it's pretty low maintenance. I would have gone with Zone Alarm, but for some reason the trial version would lock up my win2k box completely (I had to go into safe mode to remove it). So Zone Alarm made things a little TOO secure.

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Re: No firewall?
Feb 6, 2003, 10:55
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Re: No firewall? Feb 6, 2003, 10:55
Feb 6, 2003, 10:55
 
P.S. You've got a dupe Story of the Day. Maybe the story was just so good it had to be posted again.

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Re: No firewall?
Feb 6, 2003, 11:06
Bronco
 
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Re: No firewall? Feb 6, 2003, 11:06
Feb 6, 2003, 11:06
 Bronco
 
I would have gone with Zone Alarm, but for some reason the trial version would lock up my win2k box completely (I had to go into safe mode to remove it).

It does that to my home XP box (hd to remove it the same way) but not our XP boxes at work. I tried the tiny personal firewall and it was so noisy at the beginning that I gave up.

-TPFKAS2S
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Invisibility cloak
Feb 6, 2003, 11:13
Jim
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Invisibility cloak Feb 6, 2003, 11:13
Feb 6, 2003, 11:13
Jim
 
It's hoped the technology will be useful for surgeons frustrated their own hands and surgical tools can block their view of operations

So that surgeons can leave even more foreign objects inside of patients' bodies?

and pilots who wish cockpit floors were transparent for landings.

We've been building airplanes for 100 years and this has never been a problem for pilots in the past. And if it were, what about solving the problem with plexiglass noses like WWII bombers used (the bombardier DID need to see the ground beneath the plane)?

Jim
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Re: No firewall?
Feb 6, 2003, 11:16
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Re: No firewall? Feb 6, 2003, 11:16
Feb 6, 2003, 11:16
 
I use Zonealarm Pro on my home XP setup, and it works fine. The built-in firewall works almost as well ...

There's no place like 127.0.0.1
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Win XP firewall
Feb 6, 2003, 12:12
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Win XP firewall Feb 6, 2003, 12:12
Feb 6, 2003, 12:12
 
So just how secure is XP's built in firewall anyway? That is what I use, but I don't know if I have just been lucky to this point or what...

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Re: Win XP firewall
Feb 6, 2003, 12:32
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Re: Win XP firewall Feb 6, 2003, 12:32
Feb 6, 2003, 12:32
 
Well, it's secure enough to make connecting to an IRC server a 5 minute struggle for me.
Zonealarm is probably the best personal firewall, based on my own experience. Once it's been set up, it's a very useful tool.

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Re: Win XP firewall
Feb 6, 2003, 13:17
WarPig
 
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Re: Win XP firewall Feb 6, 2003, 13:17
Feb 6, 2003, 13:17
 WarPig
 
Well, it's secure enough to make connecting to an IRC server a 5 minute struggle for me.

Ok, I'll admit that I don't understand what you mean here. First off I don't know what an IRC server is. Are you saying that it's hard to connect to one with a machine using the XP firewall, or are you saying it takes five minutes to hack into an XP machine's IRC server that's using the XP firewall. I'm just asking because Zone Alarm locked up my computer "real good like", so I use the built in XP firewall. I did go to the Shields UP! page - https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 - and for what it's worth, it passes these tests.

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Of course I could be wrong... but really, what are the chances of that happening twice?
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Optical Camouflage
Feb 6, 2003, 14:17
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Optical Camouflage Feb 6, 2003, 14:17
Feb 6, 2003, 14:17
 
http://www.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/oc.html

It's a cool piece of technology that works in realtime, but you need a projector to project the image of what's behind the person, onto their photosensitive jacket.

I think the page is getting hammered now though.

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good job bush
Feb 6, 2003, 14:28
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good job bush Feb 6, 2003, 14:28
Feb 6, 2003, 14:28
 
Pre-emptive attacks on North Korea's nuclear facilities would trigger a "total war," the communist state warned Thursday after U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld labeled the North's government a "terrorist regime." Ri Pyong Gap, a spokesman and deputy director at the North's Foreign Ministry, told the London-based Guardian newspaper that the impoverished country was entitled to launch a pre-emptive strike against the United States.

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Aging Nuclear Plants...
Feb 6, 2003, 14:33
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Aging Nuclear Plants... Feb 6, 2003, 14:33
Feb 6, 2003, 14:33
 
Anybody read this? That's a pretty scary story...

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Re: good job bush
Feb 6, 2003, 14:51
nin
 
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Re: good job bush Feb 6, 2003, 14:51
Feb 6, 2003, 14:51
 nin
 
Hey hey hey! You said you were done posting here last night...

promises, promises...


edit: To fredster in post 16, NOT Hammer in post 17...


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Re: Win XP firewall
Feb 6, 2003, 14:59
Bronco
 
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Re: Win XP firewall Feb 6, 2003, 14:59
Feb 6, 2003, 14:59
 Bronco
 
First off I don't know what an IRC server is.

Internet Relay Chat.

Here is a client:

http://www.mirc.com

Kind of like the in game chat you find in many fps games.

Lots of 'channels' that are related to newsgroups/filesharing/etc.

Any time I've turned on the XP firewall I've had trouble connecting to lots of things, so I turned it off.

As for Shields UP! - Steve Gibson seems to have just as many critics as fans these days.

edit - is, us, whatever


-TPFKAS2S
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Re: Aging Nuclear Plants...
Feb 6, 2003, 15:05
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Re: Aging Nuclear Plants... Feb 6, 2003, 15:05
Feb 6, 2003, 15:05
 
I did read that. It is pretty damned scary; I did learn something intresting...boric acid eats high-carbon steel quickly.

That would tell me tho, that either the NRC doesn't have enough people to do it's job, or massive corruption.
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