Totally agree Jarek, co-op is a nice change from straight bog standard multiplayer and if done properly can be a really rewarding team experience.

btw, off topic but NOLF2 has very cool co-op play

"The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering - Bruce Lee"

Hrm, how can you call co-op minor? Co-op play demands that the game be designed a certain way. Serious Sam works well with co-op because it is a mindless, linear action game with virtually no plot. Unreal 2, on the other hand, actually has a plot that involves the player. Ingame cinematics, scripted events, etc, make Unreal 2 a rather difficult game to add co-op to. Personally, I prefer that they focus all their efforts on the singleplayer game. If I want Unreal multiplayer, I can play UT2k3. Unreal 2 is all about a compelling singleplayer experience and nothing more.

TF2 is coming. They're creating a new engine, currently referred to as the Valve Engine. It takes awhile to create an original engine from scratch. I wouldn't be surprised if we finally get some new info within the next few months, possibly even at E3. I'm in no rush, there are always games coming out to enjoy until then, it's all good.

C&C: Generals, Unreal 2, man I can't wait. C&C:G should be fun to Mod.

True Doom III is being offered mostly as a SP game, but Carmack will also include DM MP in it... with models being as detailed as they are in the game I think thou MP will be limited to 4 or so players... but it is being included.

My bad with bashing Legend as the Suits who will potentially screw gaming for us, I actually meant Infogrames, they are the publisher for both UT2k3 and UT2.

Again, including something as minor as a Co-Op is unexcusable... especially considering how hyped up the action in the game is. There was a time when they stated that MP was going to be included. I will definitely not be paying $40 for this... I don't like where this can potentially lead.

It's not the best game ever though.

What is the best game ever?

Still probably Mario 3 on the NES.

Hah.. I just played that some tonite. It sure took a while to get the game to start though.. you have to get the cartridge in there just right.

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"If the guys at Id are capable of creating a state of the art new engine, creating whats assumed to be an awesome sp player experience and also include a mp aspect, there is no reason why these bastards at Legend can't create a minor MP aspect to a single player game with a game engine that was handed to them on a friggin platter."


I thought I read that the next id game(DoomIII)is single player only? And they are concentrating on SP because they want it to shine. Carmack himself said it is too much to do a great SP & great MP game all in one. One side inevitably suffers.

As long as it is a good game I will buy it. I don't care if it's SP&MP or just one or the other. If it's good it's good. Some of you guys need to burn one and just chill...

I'm not sure if anyone has said this but:

UT2k3 would be better than anything Unreal 2 could mannage multplayer. I see their point. What would be cool is if they release a mutator for UT2k3 with all Unreal 2's weapons and powerups.

I'm looking forward to getting my hands on Unreal 2. Long live single play I say.

I sure hope they optimized it real good and dont give me this Geforce FX bullshit plz Legend, I actualy red on Nvidia site "with geforce fx you will experience the whole potencial of Unreal2" - marketing bullshit and also hope the SP game will tkae longer then Max Payne did... to justify no MP.

About warez, there is always a way to even play online without the original cd, I know guys who bought a game took cd key and took it back, it's all comes to the person and his wallet.

@30 - I'm sure I've read somewhere that Legend will be releasing their modified version of UnrealED, but to create multiplayer you'd really need to have the source code which IMO isn't very likely in the short term. The level of changes they have made to the engine would also have some impact on making that possible.

(correct me if I'm wrong though!)

"The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering - Bruce Lee"

Could/will mods me made for U2 that will give it multiplayer?

Mike

Half-Life's strong point wasn't it's story, it was the immersion factor, which is what games are all about. If you want a story, play some adventure game or RPG... FPS's are about action, immersion, and just plain fun. Half-Life set the bar when it came out, and it's still considered one of the best FPS's of all time by the majority of gamers. If you don't think so, well, you're the minority, too bad you couldn't see what made the game so great...

Well I'm really looking forward to Unreal II, had the bugger on pre-order for bleedin ages - the hype always pisses me off as much as the next man, but I really believe that Legend are going to come up with the goods on this one - ever play Wheel of Time ? Great game for its day and the architecture and level design was outstanding.

I'm not overly arsed about MP in this one, got BF1942, UT2K3 and CS for that. I would rather have no multiplayer than a half arsed tick on the box personally.

Comparisons with HL or any major SP driven FPS's are totally inevitable, there has to be some point of reference and justification for what the author has written, if he had mentioned no other games when writing the article it would have looked plain stupid.

For me, actually playing it when it ships in about a months time will be the proof of the pudding... canna wait!


"The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering - Bruce Lee"

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Legends Strong points are in the single player game, if you played WOT single player and multiplayer you would know this.

And there are single player games that are worth purchasing, like Morrowind, Max Payne, Grand Theft Auto 3 etc. Hell even games that DO have Multiplayer still have excellent Single player games.

Would I like to see some sort of Multiplayer in Unreal 2? Yes, Can I live without it? Of course.

You and everybody's mother know that the reason why the pricks at Legend aren't releasing a multiplayer (even a co-op) is that they want to Maximize Profits...

I hate to point this out, but how does this maximise Legend's profits? They're not releasing a multiplayer game at all, UT2k3 was a collaboration between Digital Extremes and Epic.

well, imo.... most SP only games arent worth buying. I imagine MANY, MANY people will be warezing UT2, since with no multiplayer... there will be no online auth system, and no need for a valid cd key or anything. It will be easily cracked, and distro'ed like mad.

Hate to admit it, but I dont think Ive bought a SP only game since Deus Ex, and I dont plan to anytime soon.

...and so is the guy who wrote this brown-nosing article.

You and everybody's mother know that the reason why the pricks at Legend aren't releasing a multiplayer (even a co-op) is that they want to Maximize Profits...

I can imagine whats going throu their minds:
you want some multiplayer buddy boy, go BUY Unreal 2003... uh, getting bored of mp, want some single player, little guy, go BUY Unreal 2.

WTF, these corporate hacks might be starting a trend... Games used to include both a solid sp and mp. Now if Unreal 2 does decently, other studios might start doing the same.

If the guys at Id are capable of creating a state of the art new engine, creating whats assumed to be an awesome sp player experience and also include a mp aspect, there is no reason why these bastards at Legend can't create a minor MP aspect to a single player game with a game engine that was handed to them on a friggin platter.

Half Life was great, like FOUR YEARS AGO. I'm still not sure wtf so many people still play Counter Strike, but without it and other great mods for HL like DoD and NS, it would have died a long time ago.

Team Fortress 2 is vaporware I'm afraid... anyone else remember when it was supposed to be an add-on to Half Life, to be released with or shortly after HL? Unless they really pull something out of their ass for this one... TF2 is dead.

... what has Valve done besides HL? An add-on for HL? If the HL mod community didn't keep that old engine going they would probably already have closed their doors.

I would imagine they are hard at work on HL 2, or maybe plan on releasing TF 2(but don't want to rush things, plus they want bragging rights over Duke Nukem Forever as the longest development period for a game), and I vaguely remember another project being announced but I can't remember why I should care.

Don't get me wrong I am not here to flame HL or Valve. I loved Half-Life until about half-way through. Then it was just the desire to see it all the way to the end. I loved CS for a few months(until the cheats & that damned bunny-hopping ruined it). I thought DoD was much better over all. But even then moved on to newer graphics and other game-play after a few months.

So if you guys(and the media)stop talking about Half-Life maybe Valve will finally release another product. Or fold in Ion Storm(Huston)shame.

Now what the $#@% is taking so long to finish Team Fortress 2?

HL greatest single player game ever? PLEASE...it took me 4 years to finally get enough desire to play through it all. And after getting half-way through, I just wanted to get it over with. There wasn't much of a story to brag about...I only finally understood what the last enemy had to do with the whole "experiment" after I read the FAQs out there. That's what I call a serious flaw.

MP is its strong point- although it's quite dated, at least 9 out of every 10 PCs in the world should be able to play it with a decent frame rate. It still holds its own in the MP world compared to old school Quake MP (which also had its merits).

As for single player experiences, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, and NOLF are my all-time favs (and although I'll probably get flamed for it, Sin was a guilty pleasure because of the locational damage)...even though they had cutscenes, they didn't detract from the experience at all. Nothing in HL came across as revolutionary. These games all added something to the genre.

To each his own...

Why do game reviewers feel they have to compare every last game to Half Life? Practially every review has some nod to Half Life...

"Yeah, the Sims: Hot Date expansion is a great game, but it's not Half Life"

"The AI in Warcraft 3 isn't quite up to scratch compared to that of the awesome marines in Half Life"

"Deer Hunter is very much like Half Life in that you have a gun. And you shoot things."

OK, so I'm taking the michael, but the point stands. Not every game in the world has to have something in common with Half Life, nor does it owe something to Half Life. Not all games were inspired by Half Life. There were good games before Half Life, and there will be good games after Half Life. It's just tedious.

Half Life was a great game. It was indeed the way of telling the story that made it. It had a lot going for it. It's still quite good fun nowadays.

It's not the best game ever though.

What is the best game ever?

Still probably Mario 3 on the NES.