"just saying that the objectification of women isn't healthy."

Well I didn't know you were Dr. Von Helmet, but here in Vegas all strippers and like are called entertainers. They entertain you. Unless you're some under-evolved primate who has to sexually attack her... I swear I don't know why I read the forums here all it is, is people complaing about this or arguing about that. it's like watching fox news typed out. Don't you have a job, life, kids, to worry about and not some cheesy game?

~Halo

Well, I guess you must be quite scared, being as you are clearly only 12 yourself.

Grow up.


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Von Helmet as we also need tighter rules to stop you from getting your hands on 12 year olds.

Laffman..........

I'm not expecting people to turn into sexual monsters... just saying that the objectification of women isn't healthy.

Maybe porn is bought by people who have already got into whatever frame of mind, so then maybe things need looking at to figure out what got them into it in the first place.

Plus, as ever, we could use tighter rules on it to stop 12 year olds getting their hands on it.

Hmmm.

If I don't get my "medication", I'll go insane.

_____

The possible pain, suffering and sacrifice of discovery are by no means an excuse to remain ignorant.

LOL. You are funny :). But I dissagree. Masturbation is sex. It involves a sexual act. If i did it on the street, the cops would say it is. It just happens to be with yourself.

But the true point is this. Pornography is made by adults and is for people who have already developed their sexual selves. These are fully grown individuals who have already formed opinions on the oposite sex. The magazine is a fantacy, and if someone doesn't realize that, they were screwed up from the beginning. The magazine or game or movie cannot change that. So when people are calling for pornography to be banned, who are they trying to protect? I would concider myself somewhat addicted to it, but I still refuse to sleep with women and leave them for my own gratification. I don't unless one of 2 things have occured.

1) I paid for it (wont go there).

2) I feel a bond on a personal level.

Pornography hasn't made me the sexual monster that you fear. Nor has it done so to any of my friends (some of which are bigger collectors than I am).

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I don't.

OK, I'm kidding.

Well, Woody Allen did say you shouldn't knock masturbation because it's sex with someone you love. But... umm... sex and masturbation are two very different things. *Very* different. You can't really compare the two, unless your technique for masturbation varies a hell of a lot from mine!

<quote>It also completely detaches sex from love, which is a dumb thing.</quote>

Porn does nothing. It just is. People make up their own minds about morality, love and sex. Not magazines.

As a matter of fact, I'm sure there are less men out there sleeping with women they don't love just to get their rocks off when they have a good porn mag to release themselves with.

question: when you are masturbating, are you in love with your hand? (dont say you don't, please)
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That's a nice bridge you live under, Larry. Did you have to pay extra for the billy goat's wandering about up top?

HAR HAR! I MAEKS TEH FUNNEY!

Man, I'm bored.

Von Helmet...

....I still like your sandals.


Laffman...........

No more arguing for me cause I forgot what we were arguing about.....

Right, my last post is at the bottom of the page. I've been away for the weekend with the object of my desire </irony>

Um. Larry person. Grow up. Don't make sweeping generalisations about what my being a Christian means. You know nothing about me, and seemingly nothing about my faith and set of beliefs. If you want to have a sensible discussion about the problems of child molestation in the Catholic church and the issue of child pornography, then bring it on. Just don't accuse me of it and don't make light of a serious issue by using it as an insult against me.

K
THX
BYE

To whoever it was got confused over my point about porn becoming more extreme... I didn't mean that was happening to Playboy. I meant that Playboy is by and large the last bastion of "erotica" as against "pornography". The discussion at the time was about pornography in general, and I was just making a comment on the fact that pornography *is* getting more extreme.

As for the whole question of whether women actually enjoy pornography... it's a tough call, and I think there's a certain amount of delusion involved. Like I said, if the money's good enough then people will do nigh on anything in this world. However, I do find it very improbable that women would actually enjoy porn or would go out of their way to make a career out of it. That seems bizarre. But... it takes all sorts, so maybe you have a point.

However, the fact does remain that pornography objectifies women which is societally unhealthy. It also completely detaches sex from love, which is a dumb thing. It encourages promiscuity which is bad on a moral basis and (if you don't buy the moral argument) a physical one too.

Anyway. Your turn.

Sounds like you gave this lot of,er....thought. You might consider a spelling and grammar checker. You need those a lot more than you need this game.

Although not on the Playboy Label, one could argue that the appaling "Riana Rouge" game from Black Dragon and Eidos was a Playboy game. Gillian Bonner was the former Bunny and CEO. http://www.rianarouge.com/

Some would deny sex, sexuality, titillation. Doing so is like denying eating. "I would never put anything in my mouth!" seems a bit rediculous to say doesn't it. Granted, it isn't something you want to force onto children, or anyone who thinks that they can portray some saintly unisexual image by saying that it isn't a turn on to see someone of their preference in the buff.

It's called human nature. We are a sexual animal, so of course it is going to appeal to the masses. Those who do not look at porn, play pornographic games, indulge in titillation, are (guess what) thinking about it. So what is the difference? You get yours your way, and the rest will get ours our way.

If you want to start the argument "It objectifies women", sure it does, a woman is an object. So is a man for that matter. The "Object of your Desire". When you look at your woman before jumping her bones, you aren't imagining her personlity. Although she may want to believe it, "She is such a nice person" doesn't get it up.

If you think women in pornography are being used, you could say that is true. But were they duped into it? I don't think so (rare cases may apply for women who don't know the difference between a beaver shot and modeling swimwear). The average woman is paid INSAINLY more then men in the industry. Many also set up their own porn related business or become directors or producers themselves. Having men being the majority of the customer base would explain their successes. So it would seem that they are using men in that reguard: they are getting our money.

So, before you pass jugment on those that enjoy it, who is it hurting, why should I care and try growing up a little bit before becomeing a finger wagger. And realize you are a minority.

I just got here. Who is this needles moron? I'm sure they will come out with a Playgirl game for you man, just chill and wait.

Choda-Boy

I have two things to say needles...one, I'm with the publisher so you're shooting blanks in here just like you do in RL.

Second, you aren't very good at trolling. I've spent years posting on a site where the only thing it is about is trolling and perfecting your game. You suck out loud at it. First off, good trolling is never blatant. The mere fact that from your first post people can see you are trolling means you are failing hard. Instead, try to troll as some of the others (even in this thread) have. Throw out statements that others will find offensive, but don't do it with a big "LOOK AT ME TROLL THIS COMMENT OUT THERE" sign pointing to your head. That way people actually think you are serious and begin to flame you, and you can then have your fun. There are trollers and there are people who incorrectly think they are clever. Guess which you are.

It's pretty sad when you can't even troll well. Chin up, needles. With practice you may be able to even fool a couple of people.

Needles YOU sound like a TARD,you consider Playboy to be porn?? That's laughable... umm,this ain't the 1920's anymore,loosen up....lol.

Hammer

Did frederickson make a new account? Does he have a twin brother? Owell, trolls will be trolls, but moralistic trolls have a special place reserved for them in hell.

Von Helmet:

Porn nowadays is having to become more extreme to satisfy the people who are into it, and it's just getting twisted. It's no longer artistic, or about any kind of appreciation of female beauty or whatever. It engenders an attitude of objectifying women. Read any pornographic site or magazine and that kind of thing shines through.

Maybe the women who do those kinds of things are "into it" as you say. Or at least they aren't bothered by it. Why should it have to be "artistic" to you anyway? Why can't it just be sexy or titillating or some other adjective? Granted I am not into much of the stuff that is out there, but that doesn't make that stuff wrong. As long as nobody is being forced to do something against their will, I don't see the problem.

youre pretty sad d-dogg. what do you think you gain by trying to protect playboy so much, sorry fatty, hugh aint gonna mail over a playmate for you if he sees this thread :p

what a tard.

Here is a question for everybody where "boobies" is the wrong answer.. What do you think that Arush company should do with the Playboy game? I mean.. what would make it fun for you. Half the people here think it's going to be a flop.. what will make it kick ass? I think if they modeled it after civ3 in a way, but keeping it a tycoon game..it'd be neat.

Maybe when you start out your company, you decide you will do it tactfully and not show anything other than breasts on television/in the magazine.. this could make your magazine appear classy and get you a more 'upper class' of readers.. Or if you said heck with it and showed girl girl action on day one, you'd become more of a smut magazine and your readers would be lower class with less income and wouldnt buy extra things like yourcompanyname fuzzy dice? I mean..isn't this how it sort of is in the real world? I wouldn't buy some skankymagazinelogocovered golf balls, but i'd buy a playboy golf ball? I dunno. Something like that might work in a game. Again, what do you guys think?

ixath