yay!

Woooooooopy!

*** As usual, I could be wrong. But really, what are the odds of that happening twice? ***

And we shall have our world shaped by them!

Wondering how EBG, GS, and everybody else could have been mistaken yesterday ;),
Ray



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Wooo! Now I have, what, 10 days before "the end of the month"? I need a new computer by then!

Still haven't tried the demo, not that that would have any influence on my future purchase / non-purchase of the game... original UT was so slick.

Excited,
-JR

Normally I have not been the one in this situation, but considering the amount of crashes people are experiencing with the Demo, isn't it a bit premature to release this game?

I mean really, I am using a new 4200 Ti video card by Nvidia who placed an Ad screen on the game, using the drivers recommended by Epic, and yet the game still won't play for more than a few seconds in Direct3D, the graphics mode recommended by Epic.

I love OpenGL, and the game plays well in that renderer, but really, doesn't the D3D crashing justify holding out just a little longer when we have waited so long already?

The fact that you have an issue with the game (or not, if OGL works) doesn't mean the whole world has that problem. While the demo had bugs and the final will certainly have them, I didn't get the impression that the game was overly buggy, quite to the contrary in fact. Of course, that impression might be wrong, it's hard to say either way for sure.

Sweet f**king Christ - it's finished. Having recently worked for over a year with Atari/Infogrames I can say this'll be a huge relief to them AND us

Bizarrely, the demo runs like a dream on my machine with everything turned to highest level and @ 1024x768@32-bit on:

P3 800Mhz
256Mb SDRAM
ATi Radeon 7200 DDR

I'm still reeling in shock at not having to purchase a whole new system!

Congrats Epic, Atari, NVidia et al - good luck with the sales. Bring on the fragging.

How about waiting until you actually try the full version of the game before whining about how many bugs it might have?

Jeeze!

...for a little more solid netcode than what we got in the demo. The demo seems completely intolerable of even a little bit of packet loss - instead of gracefully recovering, your character keeps popping back to where he was a few seconds ago. It's extremely frustrating, especially given the huge number of people running servers with poor upstream (*cough* cable modems *cough*) that are bound to drop some packets.

Maps in the full version of UT2K3:
http://discuss.madonion.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gaminggeneral&Number=1213360

Come on... people have DVD-ROMs these days. Start using them! Every current console uses some form of high capacity disc format, it's about time the PC caught up. Remember the old days when you could get games on 3 1/2" or 5 1/4" diskettes? At least give people the option to pick up a DVD-ROM rather than the Deck Of Discs that I'm sure is going to become more common as games continue to grow in size.

An "Install CD" that you use once. A "Play CD" that you leave in the drive. And an "Extras CD" if you want to install Maya or the Editor. SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM ?

Oh.. sorry.. I should have been more clear: 3 CDs is the problem. Not using a single DVD-Rom is the problem. And uhh.. a "Play CD" eh? Sure pal. Why does the game require 3GB of hard disk space then?

People shouldn't be running servers unless they have a fat DSL / ISDN or Dedicated Line. Cable modems are not reliable or fast enough upstream (in most cases) to run a server from. That's their mistake for doing it.

Let's just say I'm in favor of moving ahead with technology. DVD-ROM tech has been around for long enough. It's about time that developers started using it before we start installing our games from small spindles of discs. Where would we be if game developers decided to stick with software rendered sprite games because not everyone has a 3D GPU yet? Catering to people stuck 5 years behind is a bit frustrating, and trust me... I know what it's like because I have to do it at my company.

Unfortunately, it is still a matter of market penetration and acceptance.

That CD plays on both the CD-ROM and the DVD-ROM, simple enough. Occasionally, a company will offer you the option for both, but that is a figurative pain in the butt.

Having both a CD-ROM and DVD-ROM, going to get a CD-RW soon,
Ray

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To Saturn:

Most people don't have DVD drives. Yes, I know that's hard to believe, but it's true. So why would they bother shipping a DVD version when the majority of customers don't have a DVD drive?

For example, I have no reason to own a DVD drive. Why? I have an expensive Sony DVD player with a builtin hardware decoder and a nice 27" sony tv in the frontroom. Why the heck would I need a DVD drive on my computer? I don't.
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DVD-ROMs aren't nearly as widespread as you would think. From a business standpoint, you'd be shooting yourself in the foot by distributing something like this on DVD only. I would venture to guess that over half of their potential buyers wouldn't have DVD drives. Besides, I'm sure it's not that much more expensive to ship with 3 CDs... In fact, the DVD might be more expensive.

And since you never have to swap CDs out when playing... there's really no problem at all.

GF2MX here, not one single crash ever under D3D.

"For example, I have no reason to own a DVD drive"

That is exactly my point. You don't need one because developers won't use them. I'm sure when the CD-ROM came out, nobody needed them either. How did they find their way into every computer shipped today? Anyway, you hit the nail on the head. I'm annoyed because movies are the only reason to have a DVD-rom, and that shouldn't be the case. Tell me how long it'd take you to pick up a $60 DVD-ROM drive if every major game or application release started shipping in DVD format.

The reason people don't have them is because the people putting out software aren't pushing the new format.

And to some of the other replies... I've considered all of that. I never mentioned "exclusive DVD-ROM release." In fact I specifically mentioned the option of having a DVD-release. I'm not familiar with manufacturing costs, but would a single DVD disc cost less than 3 CDs? Shipping weights are reduced, etc. Somebody has to take the "risk" of doing a limited DVD run of a game, and find out if it's a viable solution.