Yes, DM will never die... I didn't say that it's dead, just that it's basicly dead. (As in not that high on playlist) You used to browse server lists and there whould be like 90% DM listings, now it's nowhere close. But people will keep playing it until the end of the world or gaming, that I am sure of.

It just seems like it's dieing compared to everything else (gameplay wise) that is out there. Personaly I love doing team games, even Team DM... yes incompadent teammates are annoying, but you do find good ones.

I don't think you can put AVP/AVP2 dm in here, because it's class based. I'm talking about good old fashion DM... think Quake1 or even doom. To me nothing has really ever captured the feel of DM'ing in those games, I mean everyone throws it in and it's always alittle different because of weapons/maps, but there's just something missing when you add all those things together. Maybe they need to take out those railgun type weapons... yea, let's go back to whoever controls the RL wins

Who think's they needed to put in a better bombing run map? Or even just a BIG map. All of these maps seem like 4-12 players... I thought you chould go up to 32/64 in UT2003.

Also I think CS needs to die... there's so much better out there. But i'm chalking that one up to people not upgrading/wanting to change. (Even if it's for the better)