Newsgroups, IRC, peer to peer clients. That beta is everywhere. There's even online servers for it to play multiplayer on. LoL.

Can you tell me where did you find the beta version of UT 2k3? Thanks!

You are right Tony!!!. UT2K3 will have a full year on Doom3, maybe more. I would expect, too, that quake4 looks better than Doom3 and ships some 3 to 6 months after Doom3. The reason bieng that Raven always is a stickler on detail and expanding the graphical abilities of the latest Id engine. So ya, Doom3 better look better, and how. By that time, the upgraded version of UT2k3 will be out, as well as the Unreal2 expansion. I suppose they will revamp the engine and call it UT2k4, which will be fine, it certainly will probably look great and 3gig machines will be pretty common then.

Besides XJK, when the Unreal engine first came out..IT WAS THE BEST engine out! Even Carmack was impressed. When Q3 and UT were released, it was pretty much a level playing field there. UT did better sells though.

Now, UT2k3 and Unreal 2(which will have even better visuals than its online counterpart) are here. Face it, Unreal raises the bar here. A year after Unreal 2 we'll have Doom 3 which will raise it higher with its increadible lighting fx! These days no ONE game changes everything, Sorry XJK, but that's how it is.
BUT, as been stated by others, It is us, the consumer, that benifits from competition.
OH, the new card from ATI will be out soon. The Radeon 9700. This card is really powerful and should be considered if your thinking of upgrading for the new titles coming out. It stomps the TI 4600!! Sniff, my card is no longer king Personally though I will wait for the next Nvidia card as it will leap frog that one. Besides, they have proven themselves time and again with the excellence of both thier hardware AND thier drivers.

Nobody said it will look better (quite the opposite IIRC). Try reading the posts. I have little doubt that John Carmack will deliver his usual superior graphics engine. And, in a year plus, when it comes out I'll buy it and enjoy it. I have all Id's games. In the meantime I'll buy / play UT 2003 when it comes out -- in about 2 months or so. And enjoy it. Grow up. The Quake vs. Unreal flamewar is old, and rather infantile.

*edit* To quote post #69: "ut2k3 is not as realistic" (as Doom III). He goes on into other aspects of it, the tools, ease of modding etc. Sounds good to me. As, no doubt so will Doom III. What can I say, I'm addicted to first person shooters.

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Do you people actually think that Unreal 2003 is better looking than Doom3? I mean come on, you know that ID makes the best engines, I mean don't get me wrong Ureal engines are great, but not near the quality of john carmaks. Doom will be the game that changes everything, not unreal 2003. Sorry guys

Thanks for the information. I look forward to this game even more now, for much the same reasons as you -- the engine and "modability". Should be fun.

i was fortunate enough to be among those invited to epic to check out the engine and play the game for myself, at epic.

to the guy who's playing the leaked version: the game runs beautifully, and further optimizations were present in the build i played. this is why you dont touch the leaked stuff.

anyhow, as far as the -game- is concerned: absolutely drop-dead gorgeous environments with a real push in raw polygon counts. the gameplay on the other hand has beefed up deathmatch, domination, etc. etc. and yet Assault is no longer a game mode (which was my favorite from UT). i'll be buying the game for the incredible art assets (kudos to shane caudle; brilliant work on the engine tech demo stuff--and he let me play on his computer) and, you guessed it, the engine.


the engine really will be the one to beat for a while, in terms of overall flexibility and mod friendliness. i've been a total quake head, and trying to put my player models into UT was a headache. but the extreme gains in terms of feature sets, _tool integration_ and overall flexibility are absolutely tremendous. yes, doom 3 is arguably better looking given it's emphasis on realistic shadowing, but id's support of modders often strikes me as incidental at best sometimes. their artwork development pipeline is custom tailored to their artists and doom3 can only handle a certain range of environments; ut2k3 is not as realistic but far more robust (beautiful terrain generation stuff) and because of so many licensees it's probably going to be one of the easiest engines to get custom content into.

the new unrealed is superb; a better particle effects engine than you could ever actually utilize, terrain generation is a snap, importing new models is streamlined as well. custom tools for animation and scripting, etc. built into unrealed, not to mention one to edit cutscenes.. oh, and you can preview it all (including cutscenes) realtime in the editor. oh, and a shader system, etc. etc.
i could go on, but i dont want to come off as a total plant

the point is, i'm not real excited about the game itself per se, but this engine is beyond words. i expect some really great user content to come.

Straightup DeathMatch is dead. I really really hope that this is not just UT with better graphics. With games like CS,RTCW, an AA out there, I hope that they have learned something from them and that this turns out to be a "best of" game and not just the mindless rocketfest which Q3 and UT are.

I think this game is really going to take off and best what UT and Q3 put together are now. Everyone now a days wants an awesome looking game (Ghaphic-Wise) with a great engine thats solid combined with an awesome sound provider. UT2K3 has all these things and more! Not to mention the awesome gameplay. Sure they may throw in flips and tumbles in mid-air but that just makes it look better than a couple dudes hopping around a couple inches off the ground. This is going to be the next big tournament/leisure play shooter of all time and Will best them all. You will feel bad if you dont play it.

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You wanna know what's ironic about the message trolls who bash UT2003? I bet they're all going to either buy (or warez) it and play it. I just bet you that they won't be able to not play it. They know its going to rock, they just can't admit it.

UT2003 will roll up Id and smoke 'em. It turns out history sometimes repeats itself. Puff, puff, mofo's.

Learning how to press jump twice to flip all over the place way up in the air does not help the game.

I'm kind of wondering where that demo is too...

They must have some tough bugs remaining or something. I don't want anything that locks up my computer so its best that they get the problems worked out. Still, I did expect to see it by now.

Personally I'm glad there are more special moves, etc. because it adds depth to the game. More things to learn how to do should increase the amount of time it stays interesting. Ideally there will be some subtle strategies that advanced players will master over time instead of just straight twitch FPS play.

So are they ever going to release a demo? Also, just because its a good game engine, I don't think it makes the game. Do you honestly think that there is enough substance to make UT 2003 a classic? I mean the double jump and all the other weird crap they are throwing in to the game seems to be taking it farther from its roots.

I play the beta (v0.972) every day. But my PC is not fast enough for it. I can only play with 3 Bots. It is a AMD 1200Mhz, 512 MB DDR, GF3 TI500, requieres 4,3GB HDD. He is NOT FAST Enough for it. BUT The Engin is realy GREAT!!! The game IS the greatest game today. You could mail to me (Unreal@ut2k3clan.org) Our clan is ounder construction!!. Visit us @ http://ut2k3clan.org. There is written more right here....
I thought of publisching the ut2k3 beta in the next view days.. in a secret area of our Clanpage... to get the link you could mail to "ut2k3@ut2k3clan.org"
So check out our Page for News...

Your Unreal

Instagib will be there waiting for me.

I notice that tonight Blue posted a link to some new screens. I like the look of this game alot.

"I like it alaught" - Forest Gump

I think UT will survive due to the higher system requirements of UT 2003. Obviously it will drop in popularity, but that's life. In addition to vanilla QIII and UT and various mods, I still play Quake and Quake 2 on occasion -- it can be a nice change of pace. BTW, thanks for the GAME RELATED POST. I was almost afraid to check in on this thread, but I thought "well, someone *might* have something to say that was game related..."

*edit* It will also take a while for everybodies favorite mods to be ported over / immitated for the new game. That will keep UT around for a while longer too.

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back to the game,when ut 2003 comes out do you think ut will die ?

Well I reviewed this thread and found nothing to warrant your anymosity towards Tony!!! The only thing he said he did was download the leaked demo. First of all, that aint so big because they are late on the real demo anyways. Second of all I have my suspicions Epic leaked it on purpose just like a Q3 demo was leaked in 99. Its just basically to get you all anticipating launch, and to get a little unsolicited feedback, as harsh ast it may seem.

So anonymous one, although I read your verbal attacks many days ago, I have seen very little negative rebuttal from Tony!!! and believe that you started this. Maybe you should quit, already.