On the UT2003 Demo Leak

A post called A leaked early test version of UT2003 on the Infogrames Forums (thanks Shacknews) by Epic's Mark Rein offers some thoughts on a leaked version of the upcoming UT2003 Demo that has been making its way around the Internet. The post explains the issues Infogrames has to deal with when it comes to news like this, and goes on to address some issues about the demo that he's been hearing, including whether the actual release of this demo should be considered "overdue," why they are not just releasing the current version since it's already been leaked, and why they have not been forthcoming with more information.
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Re: I hate snipers!
Jun 13, 2002, 22:31
WarPig
 
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Re: I hate snipers! Jun 13, 2002, 22:31
Jun 13, 2002, 22:31
 WarPig
 
Perhaps you should rephrase that to "I hate campers"

That depends on what you call a camper. If it's my job to protect the flag and I wait in a good spot in the base, I don't call that camping, I call it playing defense. I love it when I waste the same guy from the same spot (in my base) five times straight and get accused of camping. I always say, "you know where I am... kill me!"

I do mostly agree with everything you said. And I think we also agree; sniper-campers who add nothing to the team, suck. A lot of times the only reason you need sniper-campers on your team anyway is to kill the sniper-campers on the other team. Don't you hate it when you've had the enemy flag for five minutes, fighting for your life, hoping that your team might get your flag back and then you find two "team mates" sniping at the enemy as they regenerate? If they're on the roof of a Facing Worlds map I usually just knock them off myself.

Wow, talking about actual gameplay in a Blue's News forum... who'd a thunk it?


*** As usual, I could be wrong. But really, what are the odds of that happening twice? ***
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Re: Pirating...
Jun 13, 2002, 21:36
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Re: Pirating... Jun 13, 2002, 21:36
Jun 13, 2002, 21:36
 
Oh god. I am really bored and with nothing to do right now. sigh. I don't care what state the UT demo is in. I want it now!

-Tony!!!;)
my 360 user name is Robo Pop
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Re: Pirating...
Jun 13, 2002, 21:31
91.
Re: Pirating... Jun 13, 2002, 21:31
Jun 13, 2002, 21:31
 
I can't wait to see the Karma physics engine in action on this bad boy. I saw a video and it looked really sweet.

-Tony!!!;)
my 360 user name is Robo Pop
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Re: Pirating...
Jun 13, 2002, 21:26
90.
Re: Pirating... Jun 13, 2002, 21:26
Jun 13, 2002, 21:26
 
#83, the whole pupose of adding lighing is to prevent people from camping the whole game and you not having no idea where they are. Oh, you can still camp, just make sure nobody nearby sees you when you get your kill. The days of the camping sniper in UT are numbered.

Why does it bother you that your shots can give away your location so much?

-Tony!!!;)
my 360 user name is Robo Pop
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Re: Pirating...
Jun 13, 2002, 20:55
anon@67.33
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Re: Pirating... Jun 13, 2002, 20:55
Jun 13, 2002, 20:55
anon@67.33
 
#83. Its a year old for these reasons A. My friend has been bet testing the game for over 2 years, he has played this state, its over a year old, take it for what you will, thats the truth. B. It says 2001 at the top, which would make it at LEAST 6 months old for all the people who cant count and say its 3, but, once again, I know for a fact it is. C. Mark Rein said its over a year old, which it is.

Once again, #59 and #75 put show how doubtful it is humanity will last another 50 years.

By the way, STEALING is STEALING. You can call it famboozling, rumbadingling, whoagoogoodoglgin, smurf, or whatever you like, but please, dont embaress yourself and insult everyone else with intelligence by calling it something else. Even a child knows its wrong to take someone elses property. If you take something, that is for sale, not freely given, even though it may be available for you to get free, like software, you STOLE. Admit it, move on with life. Oh, and justifying by saying everyone does it makes you look even stupider, if that is possible.
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Re: I hate snipers!
Jun 13, 2002, 20:44
anon@203.10
88.
Re: I hate snipers! Jun 13, 2002, 20:44
Jun 13, 2002, 20:44
anon@203.10
 
Perhaps you should rephrase that to "I hate campers"

I sniper who plays properly is a valuable asset to a team, a camper is someone who lacks the skill to play properly or just doesn't care if the game is played properly. I think a normal sniper weapon with a fire delay of around 3-4 seconds would be fine, say a 50cal bolt action? That combined with limited ammo would mean a camper would need to move around a lot more for ammo, and also requires more accurate shooting due to a lower R.O.F.

Another idea some friends and I have been playing with is a bounty on campers, when a player stays within a certain area for a given length of time, their bounty is increased, giving their killer 2 or more frags, this would encourage players to hunt the campers. Tried it out in a Q3 mod, seems to work nicely.

"Give a man fire and he'll be warm for a night, set him on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life" - Terry Pratchett
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I hate snipers!
Jun 13, 2002, 20:26
WarPig
 
87.
I hate snipers! Jun 13, 2002, 20:26
Jun 13, 2002, 20:26
 WarPig
 
A lot (not all) of UT players who do nothing but snipe are cowards who do nothing to help their team cap the flag, they're just trying to "win" by scoring the most points and could care less if their team wins or loses. I'd rather have those guys on the other team any day. But... a sniper type gun is very valuable in playing the game the right way - flag support, flag retrieval, etc. That's why I love the idea of Epic making the game's sniper weapon more like the railgun; it's still very useful, but harder to use as a camping weapon. The other thing they could have done would be to limit the amount of sniper ammo and slow down the rate of fire for the sniper rifle they have now.

*** As usual, I could be wrong. But really, what are the odds of that happening twice? ***
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Re: Pirating...
Jun 13, 2002, 20:24
anon@66.25
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Re: Pirating... Jun 13, 2002, 20:24
Jun 13, 2002, 20:24
anon@66.25
 
#83: Mark Rein sort of said it was a year old. He may be lying, but then he may not.

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Re: Demo? I see no demo!
Jun 13, 2002, 20:22
anon@203.10
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Re: Demo? I see no demo! Jun 13, 2002, 20:22
Jun 13, 2002, 20:22
anon@203.10
 
Hmm, maybe you missed the "" around demo. Here let me explain,
demo = final example of product
"demo" = Sarcastic referal to this "release" being called a demo (note no quotation marks)

Err, pre-alpha and what gave you that idea? The engine build is current, or at least close to it. Are you really telling me that its a prototype (pre-alpha = prototype), because if you are, you need a moment in the n00b box yourself. The models are bad, but that are NOT placeholders, the textures are bad, but they are NOT temps, the sounds are NOT temps, this along with a close to current engine build that it is NOT PRE-ALPHA.

My point was that this is not a "Demo leak" as has been plastered all over the net, calling it a demo leak only aggravates the situation by making REAL n00bs think it is an example of the final product.

How the hell can you judge my experience in gaming from one paragraph? Are you omniscient? I don't think so! If you think I am a n00b to gaming, fair enough, but dont show your ignorance of me by posting your feelings on the matter after reading through one paragraph.
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Morals?!?
Jun 13, 2002, 20:21
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Morals?!? Jun 13, 2002, 20:21
Jun 13, 2002, 20:21
 
I got to laugh when I see so much talk about morals on the forums. Why to pirate, why not to, why to do this, and again, why not too....

You want to know why people do bad shit? Because there are a whole bunch of them out there that are evil, or that think they're a victim and deserve whatever they can take, or are just plain stupid. If you look at it in the 'bigger picture' its why we have prisons.

Playing the moral game, especially in a forum, where anon's can post as if the text is coming out of there ass, is a mute issue.

You just have to decide which side of the fence your going to be on.
Thats called Integrity. Look it up in a dictionary sometime.

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Re: Pirating...
Jun 13, 2002, 19:58
anon@203.10
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Re: Pirating... Jun 13, 2002, 19:58
Jun 13, 2002, 19:58
anon@203.10
 
#74: what makes you think its a year old? The build version proves that it isn't that old.

#80: The lightning gun is a lightning gun, and it sucks as a sniper rifle, the purpose of a sniper rifle is not to give away the shooter's position. I say keep it but a "projectile" based sniper rifle should be included. Sniping is much more fun when the gun goes "bang" in stead of "ffzzzttt". The issue of "easy" camping places should be controlled by the level designer not by removing, or changing weapons.
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Re: Demo? I see no demo!
Jun 13, 2002, 19:46
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Re: Demo? I see no demo! Jun 13, 2002, 19:46
Jun 13, 2002, 19:46
 
x0mb|e : Well thought out responses.

But don't you get $200 for passing go?

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Re: Demo? I see no demo!
Jun 13, 2002, 19:37
81.
Re: Demo? I see no demo! Jun 13, 2002, 19:37
Jun 13, 2002, 19:37
 
god damn that "demo" chomps the scrote.
You're not playing a demo. You're playing a leaked pre-alpha build.

are you sure this isn't the e3 2001 build with the UT2003 logo stuck on it?
There wasn't an E3 2001 build, that was a build of Unreal 2.

Its a joke.
It's a PRE-ALPHA. If it were GOOD they would RELEASE IT.

seems like a LOT of missing things if this "demo" is anything near the official one they plan to release.
NO. F*CKING. SHIT.

He forget to mention, missing skins, missing animations, missing textures, bad reflection maps, etc etc.
What exactally is your point? It certainly doens't sound like he was trying to make the leaked build look GOOD.

think using the phrase "ut2003 demo leak" is only making the situation worse, perhaps "raw sewage leak" would be more accurate
To anyone who's been in gaming for more than a WEEK (read: NOT YOU), "pre-alpha build" is, indeed, synonomous to "raw sewage".

I can only hope that Mark Rein is right in saying we should not taint our view of UT2003 buy playing this pathetic parody of a FPS.
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NO. F*CKING. SHIT.

Welcome to gaming. You've been placed in the newbie penalty box. Do not pass go, do not collect $100.

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Re: Pirating...
Jun 13, 2002, 19:04
80.
Re: Pirating... Jun 13, 2002, 19:04
Jun 13, 2002, 19:04
 
The lightining gun IS a sniper rifle, just no more easy hiding places for the campers.

-Tony!!!;)
my 360 user name is Robo Pop
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Pirating...
Jun 13, 2002, 17:26
anon@209.192
79.
Pirating... Jun 13, 2002, 17:26
Jun 13, 2002, 17:26
anon@209.192
 
Have I, yes... but then again who with broadband hasn't. The thing is that it's saved me some money. I have "demoed" several games that personaly sucked. But if the game was truly worth getting, thenyes I did buy it. I just waited until the price dropped, or incase of online play if it was worth it, i purchased the next day. But the whole UT2k3 "demo" gripe was it was not complete. If someone saw the demo in the "beta demo state" then most people would not buy, download or play the game based on that fact. The simple fact is to hold off on all judgments until we see the "final demo" no alpha, betas, or anything else. Personaly I just hope they bring back the sniper rifel, and get rid of that damn lighting gun.
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no subject
Jun 13, 2002, 14:41
anon@12.247
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no subject Jun 13, 2002, 14:41
Jun 13, 2002, 14:41
anon@12.247
 
I just do it cuz I'm cheap and its pretty damn easy to pirate. If files are there in front of me, my itchy fingers automatically work their magic and manipulate the pc to download them. I have no shame or horrid feelings toward pirating. Everyone pirates one way or another. Denying that fact is as stupid as saying "I've never argued against another inet dumbass with one sided opinion... I'm still right!" Those programmers from developing companies also pirate so give it a break when you peeps post those long boohoo letters. I'm a bad boy and damn proud of it.
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Re: Demo? I see no demo!
Jun 13, 2002, 14:11
anon@67.96
77.
Re: Demo? I see no demo! Jun 13, 2002, 14:11
Jun 13, 2002, 14:11
anon@67.96
 
I will tell you why I pirate software/music, and I don't give a rip what any of you say about it. Here goes...

Music:

I am sick and god damned tired of going down to Tower Records and buying a CD full of SHIT songs and one or two good ones for $20. Most musicians these days make a couple (or maybe even just one) headline song that is actually GOOD, then they fill the CD with "contractual obigation" music. Shit they threw together in a day or two so they could fill up the CD and get paid.

The record companies still refuse to let us purchase songs individually, so until that day comes, I will spend as little money as possible. Maybe when they do start selling songs individually from a CD, the artists will actually WORK HARDER TO MAKE GOOD MUSIC instead of contractual filler crap songs. Most CD's are barely worth the plastic they are printed on, let alone $20. How many times did you pay full price for a CD only to find out it sucked hardcore. This last Limp Bizkit album comes to mind.

One other reason I don't give a crap about ripping off music is that the price of manufacturing CD's has gone WAY, WAY down from when they first came out, yet the price to the consumer has never gone down, and in many cases it has actually gone up. The HUGE CORPORATE PRICKS that run the recording companies make most of that money, basically stealing from US and the Artists themselves.

Games:

This is along similar lines, but after I have tried software, I will usually purchase it. Especially games. If I find they are worth the $50, I will buy them. Most of the time they are not. They are so over-priced and over-hyped these days that I have no problem using them for free to try them out. Hopefully the game has a demo so I dont have to use warez. Take SOF2 for example. Thank god it had a demo because it sucked so bad I would have been livid if I had actually spent $50 on that game. Clearly the creators of this game needed to churn out something to make a bit of extra money. Well, they aren't getting any of mine with a game like that. I have purchased the games I thought were actually worth the money. Quake(1,2,3) Tribes(1,2) Half Life, Unreal, and a few others. I have paid for them and a few of them I have purchased a more than once. I will continue to do so. I also have no problem paying for other software (apps) if the price is reasonable.

Bottom line is, I have been on the net since 1992, and I have been ripped off WAY too many times by the Recording and Software industries. Now the technology is in place for me to get some of that money back and I have NO problem doing it. When THEY get honest, so will I.

As for leaked games/demos, I don't mind looking at them, but I am also smart enough to know when a game is obsiouly NOT FINISHED. Some of you may recall the leaked Q3 version way back in the day. It barely even ran, but still I was thrilled to check it out, and I did not feel the need to condemn id and talk about what a POS it was. That would be just rediculous. Those of you who are ripping on this leaked demo are probably hovering around the 75 IQ range anyway. Who cares what you think.

Now all you people who want to *pretend* you never have warez software on your machines will rip on me. Don't waste your breath. I could care less and I will not respond.
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Re: Demo? I see no demo!
Jun 13, 2002, 13:34
anon@209.83
76.
Re: Demo? I see no demo! Jun 13, 2002, 13:34
Jun 13, 2002, 13:34
anon@209.83
 
#59 and #75, it's the idiots like yourselves that scare Epic/DE when these sorts of things happen. You do not have the mental capacity to realize that this "leak" is not representative of the completed game, and yet you are complaining about it on a public forum. I am suprised that people like you can even operate a computer.
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Re: Demo? I see no demo!
Jun 13, 2002, 12:23
anon@203.10
75.
Re: Demo? I see no demo! Jun 13, 2002, 12:23
Jun 13, 2002, 12:23
anon@203.10
 
God damn that "demo" chomps the scrote. The collision detection code needs a complete overhaul (Perhaps not if the Karma physics was not included), the draw priority is fubar, are you sure this isn't the e3 2001 build with the UT2003 logo stuck on it? Its a joke.

"It has mediocre performance, lacks a ton of AI code, has unfinished levels, doesn't have Karma physics in it, has unfinished menus, lacks a ton of sound effects and music, has unbalanced, untweaked weapons, and generally is indicative of something still too early to even be called "beta". " - seems like a LOT of missing things if this "demo" is anything near the official one they plan to release. He forget to mention, missing skins, missing animations, missing textures, bad reflection maps, etc etc.

I think using the phrase "ut2003 demo leak" is only making the situation worse, perhaps "raw sewage leak" would be more accurate. I can only hope that Mark Rein is right in saying we should not taint our view of UT2003 buy playing this pathetic parody of a FPS.
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#59
Jun 13, 2002, 12:20
anon@213.65
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#59 Jun 13, 2002, 12:20
Jun 13, 2002, 12:20
anon@213.65
 
#59:

You must be kidding! You were actually rating a year old, pre-alpha test?! FFS! Im suprised you didn't mention that the translocator doesn't have a skin or that the models looks like shit, or that the meny doesn't work or that everyone on planet Alleria is always scrathing there ass.
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