On the UT2003 Demo Leak

A post called A leaked early test version of UT2003 on the Infogrames Forums (thanks Shacknews) by Epic's Mark Rein offers some thoughts on a leaked version of the upcoming UT2003 Demo that has been making its way around the Internet. The post explains the issues Infogrames has to deal with when it comes to news like this, and goes on to address some issues about the demo that he's been hearing, including whether the actual release of this demo should be considered "overdue," why they are not just releasing the current version since it's already been leaked, and why they have not been forthcoming with more information.
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Whatever Happened To Quake 1?
Jun 16, 2002, 18:50
anon@66.32
Whatever Happened To Quake 1? Jun 16, 2002, 18:50
Jun 16, 2002, 18:50
anon@66.32
 
Somebody needs to take a look at Quake 1's weapons and work off of that. Nobody, including id Software, has been able to replicate the way the rocket launcher felt in Quake 1. Yes, Quake 1 battles would always turn into rocket launcher vs. rocket launcher, but that's what made the game great. The splash damage factor gave modem gamers a fighting chance against people with high bandwidth connections. Then railguns and sniper rifles were introduced into first-person shooters, and everything was thrown out of whack. I really miss the toe-to-toe fighting of Quake 1.
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Well said #109.
Jun 16, 2002, 17:32
Well said #109. Jun 16, 2002, 17:32
Jun 16, 2002, 17:32
 
And pete, don't cry. You'll get a life too.

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demo
Jun 16, 2002, 16:03
anon@66.66
demo Jun 16, 2002, 16:03
Jun 16, 2002, 16:03
anon@66.66
 
I've been playing the leak for a bit.. some opinions, and comparisions to the (oh no not again!!) seemingly apparent nemesis of all other FPS, Q3.

First off, its a testament to Q3 that multiplayer FPS games are still being compared to it. After playing this UT leak for a bit, it seems to me that they are, in fact, trying to make this next UT lean slightly in the direction of Quake 3... I say this due to the most obvious change in how your player acts, the weapon switching. I also think that the run speed, while not as quick as Q3, IS a bit faster than UT2.

The lightning gun, is also a FAR more balanced weapon than the sniper rifle from UT. Not only do you get the trail, the reload is slower, (OR, much more like a railgun, however you want to take it). Face it... if you cry about the sniper rifle being weak now, its only because you whored the hell out of the old one. Adapt, and move on.

Rockets need to travel just a touch quicker, IMO, as well as the link gun primary fire. I wont talk about the actual balance of the weapons, as I have no hard figures, and Mr. Rein has stated that its not nearly done anyhow.

Should you download the leak? Aside from a moral standpoint on this, only if you have an open mind about what you are seeing. If you expect full polish, then dont even bother.

Other than that, wait patiently for the truly next level of immersion in a FPS.
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Q3 benchmark doesn't mean good game
Jun 16, 2002, 15:25
anon@217.39
Q3 benchmark doesn't mean good game Jun 16, 2002, 15:25
Jun 16, 2002, 15:25
anon@217.39
 
As another poster pointed out... UT was GOTY and has sold more copies than Q3.

The only reason sites continue to use Q3 as a benchmark is that it's an excellent engine that scales well. UT on the other hand is an excellent game within an engine that's arguably not as clean. I personally like UT's speed and playstyle and although I enjoy some Q3 frags now and then it's definitely not as satisfying. If UT2 is more like Q3 speed n style then I'll not play it either. I've no attachment to engine or developer - simply play what I think plays best!

I hope the real demo is a real reflection on what will be released so I can make up my mind with it.
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Re: Myself ;)
Jun 16, 2002, 14:37
anon@62.254
Re: Myself ;) Jun 16, 2002, 14:37
Jun 16, 2002, 14:37
anon@62.254
 
Also I very much agree with Mark Reins statement "[The leaked version] generally is indicative of something still too early to even be called 'beta'."

If you are expecting much in the way of gameplay I wouldn't bother with it.
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Re:
Jun 16, 2002, 14:35
anon@62.254
Re: Jun 16, 2002, 14:35
Jun 16, 2002, 14:35
anon@62.254
 
BTW the demo is quite good. The maps in it are pretty cool but the gameplay has changed a lot from ut imo.
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Re: No subject
Jun 16, 2002, 12:55
Re: No subject Jun 16, 2002, 12:55
Jun 16, 2002, 12:55
 
UT sold more and was unaimously Game of the Year. Where have you been?

-Tony!!!;)
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Re: Video for the new Unreal
Jun 16, 2002, 08:17
Re: Video for the new Unreal Jun 16, 2002, 08:17
Jun 16, 2002, 08:17
 
I picked up the MSI card and I absolutely love it. It comes with a nice game bundle (YAY! No more having my sound card come with more games than my video adapter! :o), has a nice range of video-out adapters, comes with high quality packaging, and has been the best overclocker of all my Nvidia cards.

As ever, the overclocking can vary from card to card, but I will definitely keep an eye on MSI products in the future...

Having had a Visiontek GeForce 3 prior to this,
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Re: No subject
Jun 16, 2002, 06:34
anon@207.42
Re: No subject Jun 16, 2002, 06:34
Jun 16, 2002, 06:34
anon@207.42
 
What majority? Q3A is the definition of FPS multi-playergame, it is the benchmark that all web sites use. The only thing I would say that UT had better is AI but who plays with bots ?
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Re: No subject
Jun 16, 2002, 04:21
anon@217.39
Re: No subject Jun 16, 2002, 04:21
Jun 16, 2002, 04:21
anon@217.39
 
The Epic team deserves at least that much respect

I'm afraid I'd say EPIC deserve NOTHING in this farce. They are the publisher and have been around long enough to realise how to run a proper marketing machine. They clearly have got too egotistical since UT kicked Q3's butt (the majority opinion). Now they have zero competition - Q4/D3 are apparently way off, there are running these 'stupid' game shows across the world...

Digital Extremes on the other hand deserve a lot more respect. People should refrain from making public comment if they have downloaded the demo. Fine; d/l and play it - EPIC/DE should have been more careful about letting it go wild - but DO NOT define the UT2k3 game by the state of the verion you are running.

If it's really running low polycount models and low res tectures then providing feedback on speed/FPS is pointless. Personally I feel that the official material (demos/screenies/interviews) is enough to judge the purchase factor of the game - one which that (IMO) might end up another Unreal: excellent gfx engine, needs ninja (expensive) PC to run and not all that satisfying. UT is a hard act to follow (if you like UT that is!)...
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Re: Video for the new Unreal
Jun 16, 2002, 00:05
WarPig
 
Re: Video for the new Unreal Jun 16, 2002, 00:05
Jun 16, 2002, 00:05
 WarPig
 
It will replace my ELSA GeForce 2 GTS in my PIII 933 with 384 of ram.

Heh, that's the exact same vid card and processor I'm running (actually a P3 700 overclocked to 933), and it still runs everything pretty darn well. I'll probably wait to order a new card until UT2003 actually comes out. I put together this system to run Tribes 2 and I ended up buying it a good six months early - and you all know how prices can come down in six months.

*** As usual, I could be wrong. But really, what are the odds of that happening twice? ***
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Re: Demo? I see no demo!
Jun 15, 2002, 23:13
Re: Demo? I see no demo! Jun 15, 2002, 23:13
Jun 15, 2002, 23:13
 
The engine build is current or at least close to it
And you say this despite the quotes from developers that it isn't, and the quotes from E3 goers that say it isn't.

Are you really telling me that its a prototype (pre-alpha = prototype)
Are you telling me you can't read?

The models are bad, but that are NOT placeholders
Wrong. The models are low-poly. If you knew anything about 3d animation, you would know that polys can be increased with the click of a button.

the textures are bad
No, the textures are LOW RES.

the sounds are NOT temps
"lacks a ton of sound effects and music" --Mark Rein
Not to mention that you have no idea when they recorded the voiceovers for the final version, let alone that they are put into that version.

this along with a close to current engine build that it is NOT PRE-ALPHA.
"[The leaked version] generally is indicative of something still too early to even be called 'beta'." --Mark Rein

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Re: Video for the new Unreal
Jun 15, 2002, 20:43
Re: Video for the new Unreal Jun 15, 2002, 20:43
Jun 15, 2002, 20:43
 
I'm seeing good reviews for PNY and Visiontek but it's hard to find side by side comparisons.

I believe that the only real difference in most of the newer GF4 cards is in the add on stuff. You know, S-video, TV out, etc. I've read that most of the newer cards stick to the nvidia reference design.

I don't need any of that. If I could find a vendor I trust that sells Asus, I'd go with a pure version. Instead, I ordered a Visiontek on Friday from buy.com for a little over $350.00 w/ free shipping. It will replace my ELSA GeForce 2 GTS in my PIII 933 with 384 of ram.

We have a couple of Visionteks in work that seem to run pretty smooth. I've had no experience with PNY.

I don't think you can go wrong with either one.


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Re: Video for the new Unreal
Jun 15, 2002, 19:42
anon@194.82
Re: Video for the new Unreal Jun 15, 2002, 19:42
Jun 15, 2002, 19:42
anon@194.82
 
From what I've read, that new Matrox thing will be the best thing ever. It's incredible. Trouble is, it is almost too good. It will be extremely expensive and not really aimed at most gamers, it's more for the hardcore gamers and business graphical types. Still, it will whip ass mercilesly. Check out the previews for yourself. Search for Parhelia in the Bluesnews archives.

Just depends what nVidia and ATi can pull out in the mean time.
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Re: Video for the new Unreal
Jun 15, 2002, 19:01
WarPig
 
Re: Video for the new Unreal Jun 15, 2002, 19:01
Jun 15, 2002, 19:01
 WarPig
 
I'm thinking about picking up a ti4600 myself and there are a lot of brands out there. Does anyone know of a brand to look for, or more importantly, look out for? I'm seeing good reviews for PNY and Visiontek but it's hard to find side by side comparisons.

*** As usual, I could be wrong. But really, what are the odds of that happening twice? ***
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No subject
Jun 15, 2002, 15:30
anon@217.208
No subject Jun 15, 2002, 15:30
Jun 15, 2002, 15:30
anon@217.208
 
The build from E3 looks ALOT better...
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Re: Video for the new Unreal
Jun 15, 2002, 14:51
anon@213.65
Re: Video for the new Unreal Jun 15, 2002, 14:51
Jun 15, 2002, 14:51
anon@213.65
 
I agree,I have a Geforce4 Ti 4600 and got everything cramed up on UltraHigh, and 1024*768 and it runs very smooth, I would guess about 60 fps. Maybe 1.3 Mhz and 512 ram is helping but i think the gf4 is doing most of the work.
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Re: Video for the new Unreal
Jun 15, 2002, 12:40
Re: Video for the new Unreal Jun 15, 2002, 12:40
Jun 15, 2002, 12:40
 
Well, I don't know about future video cards, but the Gforce 4 TI 4600 is the best right now.

-Tony!!!;)
my 360 user name is Robo Pop
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Video for the new Unreal
Jun 15, 2002, 12:09
Video for the new Unreal Jun 15, 2002, 12:09
Jun 15, 2002, 12:09
 
Does anyone know which video card is supposed to be the best for Unreal 2/UT 2003? GeForce 4, that beefed up Radeon 8500, or that new Matrox?

Mike

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Re: Oy!
Jun 15, 2002, 10:31
hkm
Re: Oy! Jun 15, 2002, 10:31
Jun 15, 2002, 10:31
hkm
 
#53, you must be kidding...

since if I post a full game for download, youre still the one who has to commit the actual crime by downloading it

Uh... Distributing copyrighted software like this IS illegal. You are commiting a crime.

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