It's amazing how much one paragraph can piss people off... Just because we have different views on piracy, dosnt mean you have to call me a fag, or a communist, etc. All I'm saying is that in my opionon, music "piracy" helps the music industry because I think when people "steal" music off Napster or whatever service, a lot of them go out and buy a CD they would not have normally bought. Games are totally different. If you download a game, why would you then go buy it? If you disagree with me, fine, but why resort to saying I'm a gay, communist utopian?

And #71, on the topic of being a man, why dont you register instead of hiding behind some no name anon post?

Art should be available to anyone" - who told you this load of crap? Someone else trying to justify piracy?

No kidding. That is the lamest stament ever I have heard. How about paying the artist for the effort they put forth providing you with something you enjoy. 'Art' doesn't just appear out of thin air. People work to make it happen.

Boy, you really had to come up with a good mind-fuck to justify your thievery.

If you want to swap music or share files go for it, I don't care. Just don't piss down the legs of those that created it and tell them it is raining. Regardless of whatever B.S. twisted logic you use to justify your actions, you are stealing. At least be man enough to call it what it is.

That is the worst justification for pirating I have ever heard. Congratulations, sir, YOU ARE RETARDED!

"Art should be available to anyone" - who told you this load of crap? Someone else trying to justify piracy? The idealistic communists that populate Slashdot (Score: 5,Interesting)? Give me a break. You pirate music because it's free, and then try to justify it with some utopian gibberish "everything should be free." Do you realize how clueless you are? Think it through, fag.

pete

"Even with all the technology out there, my favorite game of all time is the DOS classic Tyrian, because of its great music"

My favorite game of all time is leisure suit larry, because of the boobs.

im still trying to figure out how to play my leaked unreal 2 alpha
bah hah hah hah

Anal fucking!

All this "the demo sucks", "the demo rocks", I think it all comes down to personal preference. Even with all the technology out there, my favorite game of all time is the DOS classic Tyrian, because of its great music. To each his own, you know?

Regarding the "moral" issues of downloading the build... I used Napster until it was shutdown, but I see this very differently. You cant say piracy is right or wrong, it depends on what it is. Music, I belive is ok to "pirate". Music is art, art should be available to anyone, not just people who fork out $20 for a silicone wafer, you know? (I know this is really off topic, but please bear with me) Games, etc. are not art. Well, some are, kind of. For example, the simplicity of Batte.net is art, but Starcraft is a product. Dont pirate products. If I pirated a banana from the grocery store, I'd be stealing it. Does anybody get what I'm saying?

I'm 17, and I'm currently saving my money for a new computer to play UT2003 and Unreal2. So the demo is kind of useless to me now. But for what its worth, I wouldnt download it. If I was taking a test, I wouldnt want the teacher to take it up before I was through, as it wouldnt reflect what I can do. Same with the demo. And that Warez sites have millions upon millions of pop-ups (those things should be illegal)about cows humping goats, etc. I'll just wait for the real demo, and avoid the porn pop-ups.

If this turns up as an anon post, I'm really sorry. I havnt posted anything here in a long time.

Mike Buck
fpoon@mindspring.com

#59, the moron of the day award goes to you =P

If you use your eyes and actually examine the terrain for example the polycount is prolly more just for the terrain than the Q3 engine uses for entire maps hyuk hyuk hyuk

LOL@ the UT fan who now hates the series. Once the real demo comes out he/she/it will be a fan once again ROFL.

Oh, and for all who are curious, this state of the game is OVER A YEAR OLD. So quit bashing it, if it looks BARELY, better than quake3, as some idiots are saying ( at this state) then imagine how it looks now.

Nah, graphically it's very weak -- I get the same framerate in 640x480 or 1600x1200: bad.

How would that make the graphics weak? That would make your VIDEO CARD weak.

blah blah blah i'm a stupid newbie and this game looks sucky blah blah blah

If the game were in a good condition, they would do this thing called "releasing it".

It's in an unpolished, crap graphics, unfinished state. That's why they call it a pre-alpha. Because in that state, it SUCKS ASS. You seem like the same type of person that signs up for betas just for free games and then gets upset when they are in poor condition.

Welcome to gaming though. It seems that you began yesterday.

#59. You are an out an out liar, not to mention a fool who cant tell this is a very early prebuild.

Let him cry, he's just and ignorant Troll. Nothing more.

anything else you wanna bitch about biotch?
earth to dumbass quit crying about stuff thats on this leaked PRE alpha not even beta or even a demo and STFU.

Nah, graphically it's very weak -- I get the same framerate in 640x480 or 1600x1200: bad. It appears to get ~30-35fps no matter what settings i choose and, really, it doesn't look good. Simply put, it's not a step beyond quake 3 and it certainly looks like it's a step behind serious sam. I was comparing Q3 (original) screens to UT2k3 and, honestly, the environments in Q3 at least look much higher poly and everything else just seems better looking.

The reflections in the water of the demo are basically just a texture map that moves with respect to you -- it doesn't make any sense at all because no matter where you are looking into the water, you're looking at the same part of the reflection (which doesn't look realistic or even look like what it's reflecting, mind you).

Shadows are unrelated to light sources as in some levels i've noticed people running around with a shadow directly in front of themselves reguardless of where they are in relation to the light.. they could do a 360 and the shadow would go around them.

Also, the lighting model is generic -- it uses the same old light maps that we've come to know and hate combined with a few dynamic lights (as we've seen in a zillion other games). I'll give the final demo a try but it's really not likely i'll buy this.

One of my friends who was a huge UT fan and was looking forward to this was so disappointed that he now hates the series.

I won't try to convince anyone that they shouldn't get this leaked version >> I know that is futile.

But what I will say is when I anticipate something new coming out, like a movie or game, I make a point to NOT view trailers, or check the forums, etc, etc because I don't want to spoil the experience.

That goes for UT2k3. I want it as bad as the rest.

I'm just not willing to sacrifice the 'first time experience' on an unfinished alpha.

When it comes, and they always do ( with the exception of DNF ), it's going to be a blast.

Well u were right, this demo looks veeery old. The levels looks great though. Got everything on UltraHigh and running on 1024*768 and got awsome framerate. Didnt really think my comp was up to it but it looks like 1.33 Ghz, 512 ram, Gf4 Ti4600 (ok thats a pretty good card =) can run this baby with all the bells and whistles with above 60 fps. Now THATS a nice engine. Looking forward to the real demo.

I guess it just comes with age. I can't see myself waiting in line for 5 days before a movie! Nor, do I want to sit at home and watch a shitty rendition of a movie filmed in a theater on someone's shoulder or hat. I can pay to go see it(I don't have to ask mommy for money to go to the theater). I have no need to be the "first" to see this demo(like the first kiddie in this post was the "first" to post. wowie.) I can wait. For you peeps that can't seem to wait and love to watch all the movie and game warez "first".... I have something's to say: Get a life, a girlfriend, go surf, take a shower, stop jacking off, move out of your parents house, get a job, drop the bong, and trade in your little rice car with the over sized muffler.

-Yours truly, DAD.

I can't wait to buy this game. I'll get it the very day it comes out. Heck, Im chewing my nails waiting for the demo. I would even download that dated demo that got leaked if a link were emailed to me. But anyways, waiting is the hardest part.

I don't get this talk about how the weapons are unbalanced in UT. The redeemer is a bitch'n weapon, it was meant to be outlandish. Many of the other weapons require a lot of game skills, over many months of playing time. Certain weapons are only good for certain situations all have 2 modes of fire. The teleporter rocks. Quake III's weapons are so balanced... there're boring. Don't get me wrong I like Quake III but, I think UT has a better package all together. Let me guess. In real life a rocket propelled grenade is less powerful than a .45 caliber pistol? DOH!@#!#!!!! Time to fire up the old Xbox kiddies. So when you get blasted and killed by the "Box" You can blame it on Micosoft instead of "unbalanced weapons". Can't there be any game played without some dribbly snot-nosed whiners all ways complaining about getting capped because of poor weapon skills?

-[SPZ]SPANKER