For the love of GOD, someone close this thread before the universe imploads!

BTW: Do any of you have jobs?

Um, what does UT2003 have to do with Doom3???? It would make more sense to compare Unreal2 with Doom3--both very much into single player.

>Well what I cant figure out is why people cant figure out >why people are arguing over games they have not played >hem yet.

Dude, I cant figure out why people cant figure out why people cant figure out why people are arguing over games they have not played yet.

>What I cant figure out is why people are arguing over games they have not played them yet...They both could be complete rubbish for all you know, thats unlikely but it is possible. Its seems the arguements were started by people looking for a fight. Quite pathetic really.
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Well what I cant figure out is why people cant figure out why people are arguing over games they have not played them yet.

phh..

They will both be piles of steaming POO.

What I cant figure out is why people are arguing over games they have not played them yet...They both could be complete rubbish for all you know, thats unlikely but it is possible. Its seems the arguements were started by people looking for a fight. Quite pathetic really.

I Agree, i dont see where the hell this quarrel came from, they are two completely different games

I'll take you on in UT Instagib anytime!

I love the fact that nearly everyone has missed the fact that there's gonna be over a years difference between the release dates for the 2 games. Of cource Doom3's gonna have better gfx as they've had an extra year to perfect them.

Plus there's the fact that they both have different types od gameplay (is Doom3 meant to be MP, I don't think so). Hell Carmack has even said that Doom3 is not gonna be great for online play as he feels it has too much detail that ppl will just turn off to play online anyway.

The only reason that UT2003 will compete with Doom3 is because idiots think they have to.

Play a man's game, INSTAGIB!

Everyone keeps moving back and forth between arguing over gameplay, which is somewhat engine specific, but mostly determined by the company that develops the game, and engine eliteness.

The UT engine can handle big outdoor areas.
The Q3TA "engine" can sort of handle big outdoor areas.

UT bots are only as smart as the mapper makes them.
Q3A bots are only as smart as luck during the compile makes them.

I used to play UT a LOT and was anti-Q3 for a very long time, until I got a decent net connection. After playing Q3 for a few years now and trying to go back to UT, I've got my own opinion formed. UT seems more like a spamfest where anyone is capable of killing anyone, regarldess of skill, and the characters feel like paper when jumping around or getting hit. Q3 can be a spamfest if the map encourages it, but not to the same level as can be found in UT (multiple rockets at once, anyone?). The players in Q3 feel much heavier, like they're not a piece of styrofoam running around, which, in my opinion, makes the game feel more sturdy.

#40 - The editor that came with Unreal Tournament was ass. It would crash over the littlest things and many times you'd have walls that would disappear.

#54 - UT bot AI quality depends on the mapper. When someone makes a map, they have to place paths for the bots to follow, and tell them when to impact jump and similar. Q3A bots move around on their own (after compiling a bot script) but their difficulty setting really only seems to change how accurate their shots are. On the easiest setting, you can stand still and the bot will have trouble hitting you, where on the hardest setting, you'll always be railed no matter where you are. They're both pretty good, but are far from perfect.

Doom3 and UT2k3 both look pretty awesome and I plan on buying them both.

#85, DNF will hopefully be a good game though since it uses the Unreal engine you sound like a moron, which I am guessing you are anyway =P

I too quite like the realtime aspect of mapping in Doom3, sounds pretty good. Though I am still in love with that beast UEd =)

#86, I believe that was sarcasm on the part of #85...

I remember how much hype UT got, and it came out stinking like dead fish. Why do people think UT2003 is going to be any better?

Where is my GORE?? I want Gore today

Oh another game with lots of eye candy but no substance.... ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZ

*Snore*
If you want a real action game go buy gore (www.4drulers.com)
Twice the speed, takes twice the brains and skills.

nah, Team Fortress 2 will 0wnz0r j00 4ll

Isn't DNF Vaporware? Been what 4-5 years in the making. Damn better count on that soon.