Out of the Blue

I know there are still those that argue that Global Warming is a myth, and I am certainly not an expert at any of the many sciences that provide actual insights into such things, but Antarctic Ice Shelf Collapses is still one of the most frightening news stories I can recall reading. And in these troubled times, that is saying quite a bit. Anyone know of anywhere one can find good blueprints for an ark?

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Re: This always makes me laugh
Apr 5, 2002, 15:26
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Re: This always makes me laugh Apr 5, 2002, 15:26
Apr 5, 2002, 15:26
 
I'll ask first, do you understand the concept of time? If not then you'll never understand this...but I'll try anyway. 30 years is an insignifigant ammount of time for the geologic history of our planet, less then 1/90 of 1 billion years. Therefore, your statement doesn't have any type of solid backing.
--
"For every human problem,
there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong."
--H.L. Mencken
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Re: the ice shelf...
Apr 5, 2002, 14:31
52.
Re: the ice shelf... Apr 5, 2002, 14:31
Apr 5, 2002, 14:31
 
Sorry Anvil, but I never said that the US goverment was beyond criticism and can do no wrong. But if you want to take things out of context...hell that's your right!

I'm simply pointing out the fact that the majority of people in the world "don't want the US in their business"(TM) unless a) the US can fix it for them, in which case they want the US in there right away. Or B) Can cause trouble for others, and help their own cause.

Recent events in the middle east show this, Everyone is crying the Isreal is being evil and is the next "Nazi-Fascist-Anti-Palastinian" thing, the states didn't get involved, the states says were not going to really get involved, and as such, people are now screaming get in there and help. Now, the next time someone wants some help or needs something and the states gets involved, if it is not in that opposeing countries they will whine and cry, and say mean things. Even if other people say help.

I hope you understand my point now. Perhaps you need to look outside the borders of your own backyard.

Therefore, my previous statment is correct and factual...and unfortunatly...you were just rather innanly rambling.
--
"For every human problem,
there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong."
--H.L. Mencken
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Re: And Nowfor Something Completly Different
Mar 27, 2002, 05:25
anon@212.73
51.
Re: And Nowfor Something Completly Different Mar 27, 2002, 05:25
Mar 27, 2002, 05:25
anon@212.73
 
No no... It's just resstin! It's tired. <taps cage> See it moved!


(Love that skit)


Jack Luminous
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Re: And Nowfor Something Completly Different
Mar 26, 2002, 17:19
anon@63.20
50.
Re: And Nowfor Something Completly Different Mar 26, 2002, 17:19
Mar 26, 2002, 17:19
anon@63.20
 
Don't worry, before we ever get to the point that we have to really worry about global warming we'll have nuked the planet into oblivion.
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And Nowfor Something Completly Different
Mar 26, 2002, 12:59
anon@57.250
49.
And Nowfor Something Completly Different Mar 26, 2002, 12:59
Mar 26, 2002, 12:59
anon@57.250
 
this Bird you sold me is Dead...
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Re: Doing stuff...
Mar 25, 2002, 19:02
anon@162.83
48.
Re: Doing stuff... Mar 25, 2002, 19:02
Mar 25, 2002, 19:02
anon@162.83
 
47.
 
Re: This always makes me laugh
Mar 25, 2002, 11:28
anon@65.96
47.
Re: This always makes me laugh Mar 25, 2002, 11:28
Mar 25, 2002, 11:28
anon@65.96
 
You're a jerk if you tell people to be enviormentally sound yet you use an AC. The shit in Air conditioners is soooooo bad for the enviorment
46.
 
Re: This always makes me laugh
Mar 23, 2002, 13:03
anon@65.67
46.
Re: This always makes me laugh Mar 23, 2002, 13:03
Mar 23, 2002, 13:03
anon@65.67
 
>in my 30 years of living on the East Coast, I have NEVER seen the kind of messed up weather we have had in the past 5 years<

You haven't learned much about statistics in your 30 years. If your observations about what the climate has "seemed" to do in the last 5 years are correct, then you're seeing effects of things humans did 40-50 years ago. If you're correct, hang on, because you're in deep shit.

The GAIA's Revenge theory is interesting and even though you butchered it you make some valid points. The earth is and always will be a global system of checks and balances. We upset the balance, the scales tip, we suffer the consequences. We pour resources into tipping the balance back to our favor, and the earth responds in a new and unexpected way. And so on.

Go read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn for some good insight into why it is our modern cultures do this... You'll be surprised at how big a part of the problem YOU are.

It's almost comical to read your comments about how hot it's gotten because we have screwed up the environment, while offering as "proof" the fact that you have had to use your air conditioner so much. Aren't you perpetuating the problem you're scolding us as humans for causing?

If you feel so strongly about it, do something.
45.
 
This always makes me laugh
Mar 22, 2002, 23:38
anon@63.53
45.
This always makes me laugh Mar 22, 2002, 23:38
Mar 22, 2002, 23:38
anon@63.53
 
I can't help but laugh at anyone who thinks that the environment is just the same now as it was, say, a thousand years ago. Doesn't anyone tell these naysayers that sniffing magic markers is bad for your health? I live near Blue (Geographically) and I can tell you one thing, in my 30 years of living on the East Coast, I have NEVER seen the kind of messed up weather we have had in the past 5 years. Not only have the summers become incredibly hot, but the summer seems to have "Extended" itself into the months of September and October, and even half of November. I can tell you right now, that I was running the Air Conditioner in my house until the week before thanksgiving, and I have yet to use my heater. I won't even tell you how much i've used the A/C in my car.

the bottom line here is, we can't expect to consume so much and expect everything to replenish itself soon after. Anyone hear ever read about Gaea's Revenge? The theory that the Earth can think and act for itself (The same way a plant can, anyway) and that it thinks humanity is a cancer, and that it is slowly removing us by introducing disease and birth defects to wipe us out? The theory began when scientists saw entire species of small mammals and reptiles being born without either male or female sex organs. The "disease" spread all over, even showing up in a nearby village of....people.

Laugh if you want, but guess what? The Earth wants to cleanse itself, and you are next.
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WTF is that True Blue?
Mar 21, 2002, 17:13
anon@57.250
44.
WTF is that True Blue? Mar 21, 2002, 17:13
Mar 21, 2002, 17:13
anon@57.250
 
"Oh, and Blue, for something very disturbing, see this:
http://www.gracelessland.com/CGI-BIN/g2000.exe/bio?bio_blue.txt "

is this stuff for Real blue? :p

hehehe Blue's the Shit
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Re: Global Warming
Mar 21, 2002, 10:41
anon@212.111
43.
Re: Global Warming Mar 21, 2002, 10:41
Mar 21, 2002, 10:41
anon@212.111
 
Sit back and roll another fat one.

baaaaaah.
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Doing stuff...
Mar 21, 2002, 05:55
anon@212.73
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Doing stuff... Mar 21, 2002, 05:55
Mar 21, 2002, 05:55
anon@212.73
 
Well... Interesting debate...

I'd like to add my 2 cents.

My opinion (mine, me, I and all that, so not an absolute truth, just the way I see things, YMMV).

It seems like:
1) people in general (not just americans) take the planet and what it provides for granted, that we can simply take and take, and put out all the crap we want to and it won't make any difference whatsoever.
2) many people in general (again, no group in particular, although you should try living in Paris, FR... Probably all very large cities have that though) have a very self-centered outlook. In the sense that, it doesn't matter if what me do now has consequences in the future, as long as it doesn't have an immediate impact on me/my life or the way that I do things, it's OK.

Some people (me included), feel it would be better if people just looked after their own crap, made a slight effort to polute a bit less, and take initiative in that respect. Others feel it is not their place to do so, but that such things should be looked after by the powers that be. Worse still (my opinion again), some others think that the powers that be are doing a good job.

I can't really explain why I have that sense of responsability towards my environnement, maybe that way I was brought up or something, although I'm not an outdoors kinda guy or anything like that, it just seems logical to me.

That's about it I guess... Have to work now.

My 2 cents, make of it what you will.


Jack Luminous

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Re: Global Warming
Mar 21, 2002, 00:17
anon@65.24
41.
Re: Global Warming Mar 21, 2002, 00:17
Mar 21, 2002, 00:17
anon@65.24
 
We'll be dead before anything major happens... fuck what happens... I won't be around
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#31 and 35
Mar 20, 2002, 23:38
anon@209.91
40.
#31 and 35 Mar 20, 2002, 23:38
Mar 20, 2002, 23:38
anon@209.91
 
believe it or not but i majored with a phd in both environmental science and marine biology at the university of british columbia way back in '83 and '84 (respectively), and i've worked for the ministry of the environment ever since, because of these decisions i've had far more opportunities than any sane person would need to see exactly what we're doing to this planet.

#31
pal, if i start ASSuming things, my ASS is out of work. propagandha ? try reading a national geographic sometime, their earthpulse section can inform even the most ignorant of people and their sources are as reliable as they can get.

#35,
give me your email address and i'll send you as many ministry reports as it will take to stop you from flaming anyone who actually gives a shit about the planet humanity is raping up the ass; and i'm an atheist you snot-nosed punk.
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Re: the ice shelf...
Mar 20, 2002, 21:49
anon@151.197
39.
Re: the ice shelf... Mar 20, 2002, 21:49
Mar 20, 2002, 21:49
anon@151.197
 
Actually, #11, here's how the fuel economy bill broke down:

"On the showdown amendment, the Senate voted 62 to 38 to delete specific mileage requirements from the comprehensive energy bill under consideration this month and to turn the matter over for study to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

On the vote, 43 Republicans and 19 Democrats were in favor of the study; 31 Democrats, 6 Republicans and the independent, James M. Jeffords of Vermont, wanted to keep tougher standards in the bill."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/14/politics/14ENER.html
(free registration required, blah, blah blah)
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Re: the ice shelf...
Mar 20, 2002, 20:49
anon@208.190
38.
Re: the ice shelf... Mar 20, 2002, 20:49
Mar 20, 2002, 20:49
anon@208.190
 
>Just for your info, i did the math. The ice shelf which just broke off added a whole .0000426 PERCENT to the volume of the ocean.<

Thanks Bash, but what math is that? An ice shelf floats on the water, displacing a volume of water equal to the volume of the water contained in the ice. That's pretty elementary physical science. Put a couple of big ice cubes in a cup and then fill the cup to the brim with water. The ice will float up above the water and the rim of the glass. Let it all melt and the cup is still filled exactly to the brim - no water spills over. No sea level rise. Now when the ice sheets up on the Antarctic continent start melting, you should expect a sea level rise.
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Re: Sony robot sings, dances and isn't cheap
Mar 20, 2002, 20:22
anon@208.46
37.
Re: Sony robot sings, dances and isn't cheap Mar 20, 2002, 20:22
Mar 20, 2002, 20:22
anon@208.46
 
"I can't think of one electronic-era technology that has gotten bigger with more features packed in... maybe you can, but I can't."

Ever used a pentium chip?

Ever seen a Pentium 4 Chip? It be about 1" x 1" I would say thats even smaller than most 486 chips were.
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Ice Age
Mar 20, 2002, 19:02
anon@128.211
36.
Ice Age Mar 20, 2002, 19:02
Mar 20, 2002, 19:02
anon@128.211
 
and where were we 10,000 years ago? think its gotten warmer since then?
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Re: Global Warming
Mar 20, 2002, 18:33
anon@65.168
35.
Re: Global Warming Mar 20, 2002, 18:33
Mar 20, 2002, 18:33
anon@65.168
 
>What are YOU gonna do ?

I think I'll call you an uninformed, sensationalistic moron? How's that?

I think you're giving yourself too much credit and not giving "her" enough. Your sappy, melodramatic tissy really cheapens the validity of many of your arguments. Your avoidance of any real scientific facts suggests that most of the comments you make are picked up on public access TV and at faculty meetings at your junior high school.

Where's God in all this? Didn't God give us free reign over the Earth and all her creatures? Didn't he make us in his image? I'm surprised you didn't start spewing that kind of crap too.

What the hell are YOU going to do, schmuck? Keep on preaching to US that WE are fucking up? Get off your high horse and do something about it yourself. I'll change my opinion of the shit you're spewing when I see some results.

In the meantime, sell your car, eat only what you grow yourself with your own shit as fertilizer, crusade for world reform, get off your environmentally destructive computer, and shut the fuck up.
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Re: Global Warming
Mar 20, 2002, 18:25
anon@128.2
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Re: Global Warming Mar 20, 2002, 18:25
Mar 20, 2002, 18:25
anon@128.2
 
The fate of this planet, and all it's unique and wonderous examples of life, IS IN YOUR HANDS.

What are YOU gonna do ?


According to Edward O. Wilson, the growth of the human population has recently more colsely resembled the proliferation of bacteria than of mammals. Just something to think about.
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