RogueSix wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 18:14:

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 18:04:
so what's the whole backstory here? i've seen some stuff on reddit about it but I still don't understand the main gripe.

Read this Steam news announcement which still has exactly '0' upvotes but 1,435 comments.

Then read the comments.

Like this one here on page 2 that got a ton of upvotes (Kaminsky is a dev):

Originally posted by Kaminsky:

For clarification, the changes aren't extensive. They're only minor skin changes, with the most significant change being that players lose the ability to desecrate corpses.

Gerards ghillie just goes down a little further, the women on Port gain tattered cloths instead of being nude, small changes like that.

AND THAT'S WHAT RUINS IT ALL!!!!!! These SMALL things are what made RoN different from all the other games. Trafficked women on Port being naked is GROSS and is DISTURBING and it's EXACLY WHAT MAKES RON FEEL SO DIFFERENT, SO FRESH AND SO REAL COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER GAMES! Human traffickers are terrible, drug dealers and pedophiles are terrible, they're all UGLY AND GROSS, and the fact that RoN WASN'T afraid to SHOW THEM AS THEY ARE without almost ANY edges being cut is what makes the game special.

And now it's gone. Because of corpos. FOR ME AS WELL WHO DOESN'T EVEN OWN A CONSOLE THE PORT IS BEING MADE FOR. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ amazing! Can't express just how much i hate it.

^ In essence, the devs censored their game so they could get a better age rating on conslows for better sales. They refuse to keep this censorship exclusive to the conslow versions because they consider it too much effort to work on two versions of the game. That's why everyone has to suffer for better conslow sales now.

Personally glad I did not buy this game yet. It will be an even bigger discount than previously planned before I take the plunge (if ever).

Ok so they made the game with nudity, children violence and corpse dismemberment and they are changing it to be more "PG 13" type so they can sell more on the consoles.

Part of me is like "ok that's good". The other part of me is they should leave be. Since I haven't played or even looked at the game play, is there a bunch of weird evil people multilating corpses and killing children for fun online with this shit? If so it's a good change. If not and it's indeed that they are showing the real horrors of evil people it's probably best to leave it.

Seems like a fairly minor change. Unless you're a necrophile I guess, which maybe I guess some people here are, and maybe that's the audience that the game cultivated?

I had no idea this was a thing with the game. I thought the whole gimmick was that it tries to represent a more accurate SWAT team experience for players who like Siege's game play but wanted more realism. Apparently it also gathered a dedicated following for other reasons and the developers/publisher miscalculated because of....wait you'll never guess why: greed.

Insert obligatory, "consoles suck" comment here.

Enjoy raping dead bodies while you still can.

Donkey_Punch wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 18:18:
The developers made some really "edgy 12 year old" decisions with the game with the content. Those childish decisions are coming home to roost.

Yeah, pretty much. I regret picking this one up. Seems like an ok game but not worth what I paid for it at the time. If I remember right I uninstalled it because the updates would take forever.

Donkey_Punch wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 18:18:
The developers made some really "edgy 12 year old" decisions with the game with the content. Those childish decisions are coming home to roost.

Seemed to me like it was a good differentiation strategy to avoid the PG-13 sameness of competitor titles. Thus the passionate fan base and backlash.

The developers made some really "edgy 12 year old" decisions with the game with the content. Those childish decisions are coming home to roost.

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 18:04:
so what's the whole backstory here? i've seen some stuff on reddit about it but I still don't understand the main gripe.

Read this Steam news announcement which still has exactly '0' upvotes but 1,435 comments.

Then read the comments.

Like this one here on page 2 that got a ton of upvotes (Kaminsky is a dev):

Originally posted by Kaminsky:

For clarification, the changes aren't extensive. They're only minor skin changes, with the most significant change being that players lose the ability to desecrate corpses.

Gerards ghillie just goes down a little further, the women on Port gain tattered cloths instead of being nude, small changes like that.

AND THAT'S WHAT RUINS IT ALL!!!!!! These SMALL things are what made RoN different from all the other games. Trafficked women on Port being naked is GROSS and is DISTURBING and it's EXACLY WHAT MAKES RON FEEL SO DIFFERENT, SO FRESH AND SO REAL COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER GAMES! Human traffickers are terrible, drug dealers and pedophiles are terrible, they're all UGLY AND GROSS, and the fact that RoN WASN'T afraid to SHOW THEM AS THEY ARE without almost ANY edges being cut is what makes the game special.

And now it's gone. Because of corpos. FOR ME AS WELL WHO DOESN'T EVEN OWN A CONSOLE THE PORT IS BEING MADE FOR. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ amazing! Can't express just how much i hate it.

^ In essence, the devs censored their game so they could get a better age rating on conslows for better sales. They refuse to keep this censorship exclusive to the conslow versions because they consider it too much effort to work on two versions of the game. That's why everyone has to suffer for better conslow sales now.

Personally glad I did not buy this game yet. It will be an even bigger discount than previously planned before I take the plunge (if ever).

This comment was edited on Jun 30, 2025, 18:24.

Pr()ZaC wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 18:04:

RogueSix wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 17:52:
Conslows have always been ruining everything for PCMR.

Fuck conslows!

What took you so long?

Bit of a heat wave here, dude. I was barely able to lift a finger earlier today but now it's dark and even slightly rainy so I can rage against [fill-in-rageworthy-subject] again!

RogueSix wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 17:52:
Conslows have always been ruining everything for PCMR.

Fuck conslows!

What took you so long?

so what's the whole backstory here? i've seen some stuff on reddit about it but I still don't understand the main gripe.

Conslows have always been ruining everything for PCMR.

Fuck conslows!

They're so not going to get review bombed.

Cool.

No one wants crossplay but the suits for the checkbox. Stop it.

Jim wrote on Jun 30, 2025, 13:02:
And predictably the game is getting trashed on steam

As it should. The argument that its to violent and dismemberment is so pathetic in a game that all about killing other's.

Soldiers of Fortune had it, and it was on consoles. Them complaining about this on a game that was very much on console is laughable.

And predictably the game is getting trashed on steam