More on the WTC Disaster (Updated)

Of course this is not game related (we do not expect to be doing any further game coverage today), but with the legit news sites being almost impossible to access at times today, we've been getting loads of requests for more information about what's been going on. Here is the latest as of about 9:00 PM EDT:

  • President Bush addressed the nation 8:30 PM EDT. Here's a wire report: WASHINGTON (AP) - A grim-faced President Bush condemned ghastly attacks in Washington and New York on Tuesday and vowed to "find those responsible and bring them to justice." In the second Oval Office address of his presidency, Bush said the United States would retaliate against ``those behind these evil acts,'' and any country that harbors them.

To recap:

  • In two separate attacks, hijacked planes struck both main towers of the World Trade Center in Manhattan this morning, and both of the "twin towers" subsequently collapsed.
  • A hijacked plane struck the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. and part of it has collapsed as well.
  • A hijacked plane crashed in western Pennsylvania, near Pittsburgh. Reports indicate the hijackers planned to crash this plane into Camp David in Maryland.
  • 47 Story WTC building seven, one of the five (relatively) smaller buildings in the World Trade Center also later collapsed from ancillary damage.
  • The White House, the Pentagon, and the Capitol Building were all evacuated, all domestic flights in the US have been grounded through at least noon tomorrow.
  • Other closings include most federal offices, the stock markets, the Disney theme parks, and the cancellation of today's Major League Baseball schedule. The President's speech announced that all federal agencies will be open for business tomorrow.
  • Broadcasts out of Afghanistan showed evidence of missile attacks and antiaircraft fire, but what connection this has to today's apparent terrorist attacks in the US is not clear at this point. The US has denied involvement in these attacks.
  • In the first hints of any sort at the scope of casualties, the New York City Fire Department has estimated that as many as half of the 400 firefighters dispatched to the scene are missing. CNN has said that 78 Police officers are missing. Also, the death toll from those on the four hijacked planes has been placed at 266. The number of dead and injured at the Pentagon has been widely reported as about 100. No estimates of the number of victims from the World Trade Center have been made.
  • People throughout the United States have are being urged to donate blood to help offset significant shortages in New York and Washington. The American Red Cross in Greater New York or the American Red Cross are places to contact about donating blood or money, or both.
  • Some news sites seem to be back online. Here are some links that have been more reliable: CNN.com; CNET.com; Yahoo; The New York Times; washingtonpost.com; usnews.com; ABCNEWS.com; FOXNews.com; MSNBC; and BBC News Online.

All of our thoughts go out to the victims of these attacks and their families and friends in what must be an incredibly difficult time.

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...he who fights monsters...
Sep 12, 2001, 17:11
...he who fights monsters... Sep 12, 2001, 17:11
Sep 12, 2001, 17:11
 
A friend of mine just emailed me with an interesting piece by Michael Moore. Despite his obvious political stance and general cynicism I think this information is important to consider. I wonder, what would Nietsche say?

--BEGIN--------------------------------------------------
From Michael Moore:

Death, Downtown

Dear friends,
I was supposed to fly today on the 4:30 PM American Airlines flight
from LAX to JFK. But tonight I find myself stuck in L.A. with an
incredible range of emotions over what has happened on the island
where I work and live in New York City.

My wife and I spent the first hours of the day -- after being
awakened by phone calls from our parents at 6:40am PT -- trying to
contact our daughter at school in New York and our friend JoAnn who works
near the World Trade Center.

I called JoAnn at her office. As someone picked up, the first tower
imploded, and the person answering the phone screamed and ran out,
leaving me no clue as to whether or not she or JoAnn would live.

It was a sick, horrible, frightening day.

On December 27, 1985 I found myself caught in the middle of a
terrorist incident at the Vienna airport -- which left 30 people
dead, both there and at the Rome airport. (The machine-gunning of
passengers in each city was timed to occur at the same moment.)

I do not feel like discussing that event tonight because it still
brings up too much despair and confusion as to how and why I got to
live. a fluke, a mistake, a few feet on the tarmac, and I am still
here, there but for the grace of.

Safe. Secure. I'm an American, living in America. I like my
illusions. I walk through a metal detector, I put my carry-ons
through an x-ray machine, and I know all will be well.

Here's a short list of my experiences lately with airport security:

* At the Newark Airport, the plane is late at boarding everyone. The
counter can't find my seat. So I am told to just "go ahead and get
on" -- without a ticket!

* At Detroit Metro Airport, I don't want to put the lunch I just
bought at the deli through the x-ray machine so, as I pass through
the metal detector, I hand the sack to the guard through the space
between the detector and the x-ray machine. I tell him "It's just a
sandwich." He believes me and doesn't bother to check. The sack has
gone through neither security device.

* At LaGuardia in New York, I check a piece of luggage, but decide
to catch a later plane. The first plane leaves without me, but with
my bag -- no one knowing what is in it.

* Back in Detroit, I take my time getting off the commuter plane. By
the time I have come down its stairs, the bus that takes the
passengers to the terminal has left -- without me. I am alone on the
tarmac, free to wander wherever I want. So I do. Eventually, I flag
down a pick-up truck and an airplane mechanic gives me a ride the
rest of the way to the terminal.

* I have brought knives, razors; and once, my traveling companion
brought a hammer and chisel. No one stopped us.

Of course, I have gotten away with all of this because the airlines
consider my safety SO important, they pay rent-a-cops $5.75 an hour
to make sure the bad guys don't get on my plane. That is what my
life is worth -- less than the cost of an oil change.

Too harsh, you say? Well, chew on this: a first-year pilot on
American Eagle (the commuter arm of American Airlines) receives
around $15,000 a year in annual pay.

That's right -- $15,000 for the person who has your life in his
hands. Until recently, Continental Express paid a little over
$13,000 a year. There was one guy, an American Eagle pilot, who had four
kids so he went down to the welfare office and applied for food stamps --
and he was eligible!

Someone on welfare is flying my plane? Is this for real? Yes, it is.

So spare me the talk about all the precautions the airlines and the
FAA is taking. They, like all businesses, are concerned about one
thing -- the bottom line and the profit margin.

Four teams of 3-5 people were all able to penetrate airport security
on the same morning at 3 different airports and pull off this
heinous act? My only response is -- that's all?

Well, the pundits are in full diarrhea mode, gushing on about the
"terrorist threat" and today's scariest dude on planet earth --
Osama bin Laden. Hey, who knows, maybe he did it. But, something
just doesn't add up.

Am I being asked to believe that this guy who sleeps in a tent in a
desert has been training pilots to fly our most modern,
sophisticated jumbo jets with such pinpoint accuracy that they are
able to hit these three targets without anyone wondering why these
planes were so far off path?

Or am I being asked to believe that there were four
religious/political fanatics who JUST HAPPENED to be skilled airline pilots
who JUST HAPPENED to want to kill themselves today?

Maybe you can find one jumbo jet pilot willing to die for the cause
-- but FOUR? Ok, maybe you can -- I don't know.

What I do know is that all day long I have heard everything about
this bin Laden guy except this one fact -- WE created the monster
known as Osama bin Laden!

Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA!

Don't take my word for it -- I saw a piece on MSNBC last year that
laid it all out. When the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan, the CIA
trained him and his buddies in how to commits acts of terrorism
against the Soviet forces. It worked! The Soviets turned and ran.
Bin Laden was grateful for what we taught him and thought it might
be fun to use those same techniques against us.

We abhor terrorism -- unless we're the ones doing the terrorizing.

We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in
the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me.
Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell even
remembers!

We fund a lot of oppressive regimes that have killed a lot of
innocent people, and we never let the human suffering THAT causes to
interrupt our day one single bit.

We have orphaned so many children, tens of thousands around the
world, with our taxpayer-funded terrorism (in Chile, in Vietnam, in
Gaza, in Salvador) that I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised when
those orphans grow up and are a little whacked in the head from the
horror we have helped cause.

Yet, our recent domestic terrorism bombings have not been conducted
by a guy from the desert but rather by our own citizens: a couple of
ex-military guys who hated the federal government.

From the first minutes of today's events, I never heard that
possibility suggested. Why is that?

Maybe it's because the A-rabs are much better foils. A key
ingredient in getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a new
enemy is the all-important race card. It's much easier to get us to
hate when the object of our hatred doesn't look like us.

Congressmen and Senators spent the day calling for more money for
the military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn't want to hear
any more talk about more money for education or health care -- we
should have only one priority: our self-defense.

Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure
when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty so we can have
nice running shoes?

In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again.
He withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of the Durban
conference on racism, insists on restarting the arms race -- you
name it, and Baby Bush has blown it all.

The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a spontaneous
version of "God Bless America." They're not a bad group of singers!

Yes, God, please do bless us.

Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right.
They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at
Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT
VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes' destination of
California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!

Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity.

Let's mourn, let's grieve, and when it's appropriate let's examine
our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.
It doesn't have to be like this.
Yours,

Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
--END--------------------------------------------------

Despite the information that (as Mr. Moore puts it) "WE created the monster", this is a tragic event, but serves to remind us of Nietsche's famous words and the truth behind them : "He who fights monsters should look to it that he does not become a monster...if you stare long enough into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you." Thats all I have to say about that.


This comment was edited on Sep 12, 17:30.
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Lord Dakushna

"Laugh while you can Monkey Boy!" - John Lithgow in Buckaroo Bonzai
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231.
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anon@64.91
216.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
217.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
221.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
222.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@130.195
227.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@24.65
228.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@24.18
229.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
230.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
233.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
235.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@24.65
236.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
232.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@64.1
234.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@64.45
238.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@206.19
239.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@64.19
241.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@64.222
242.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@24.189
244.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@208.35
246.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
250.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@213.112
247.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@172.151
253.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
262.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
248.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@24.234
252.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
258.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@198.83
353.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
354.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@63.22
355.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@63.22
260.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
272.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@203.173
274.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@195.92
275.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@149.169
276.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@64.166
277.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@63.127
280.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@195.92
278.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@64.222
279.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@62.178
311.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@24.184
394.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
282.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@63.127
286.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@213.122
291.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@195.92
283.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@130.195
284.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@63.127
287.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@64.12
357.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@217.5
285.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
288.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@66.69
289.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@66.69
293.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@213.122
295.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@65.31
297.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@213.122
294.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@130.195
296.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
306.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
312.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
298.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
318.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@152.163
299.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
305.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
307.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
337.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@206.83
435.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
393.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@65.165
309.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
313.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
anon@207.215
314.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
315.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
317.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.4
316.
Sep 11, 2001Sep 11 2001
320.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
319.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
387.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.184
321.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@64.166
322.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@64.194
323.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
324.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@4.61
326.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@4.61
327.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@64.123
328.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
330.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
332.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
334.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@64.166
335.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@64.166
371.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@194.128
372.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@195.92
373.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@61.9
374.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@61.9
384.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.184
329.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@66.45
342.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
331.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@130.195
333.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
336.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@172.186
340.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@64.166
343.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@206.83
513.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@172.168
515.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
379.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@207.2
386.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@213.84
338.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@203.38
339.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
341.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
344.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
358.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@61.9
345.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@130.195
346.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.19
347.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.19
349.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@203.164
356.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@63.22
389.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
391.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@206.140
392.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
     isolation
anon@194.205
350.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
348.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
351.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
352.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
359.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.69
366.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@62.159
360.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.69
361.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@195.102
364.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@193.167
365.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@213.112
368.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@151.208
369.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
370.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.69
375.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@209.192
378.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
376.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@207.136
377.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@195.252
381.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@207.2
382.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@194.128
380.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@66.136
383.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@217.88
385.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
388.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@203.173
390.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@207.71
400.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@152.31
395.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@65.165
396.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@65.165
397.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
399.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@128.249
398.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@206.78
401.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@206.19
405.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@208.25
429.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@129.196
402.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@216.175
404.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@213.122
408.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@216.175
410.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
411.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@206.19
428.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@207.2
432.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@216.175
403.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@216.161
406.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
407.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
409.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
438.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.4
412.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.178
416.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
418.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@159.238
419.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@130.195
423.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
421.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
427.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
430.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@216.175
426.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@63.150
433.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@159.238
413.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
414.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@64.1
415.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@213.66
417.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@159.238
420.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@213.66
422.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
425.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@213.66
424.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@172.149
431.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@209.246
434.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@129.97
 436.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
...he who fights monsters...
437.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
439.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@213.122
442.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
444.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@217.5
447.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.240
440.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.4
443.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@217.5
446.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
453.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
441.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@159.238
445.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@213.66
537.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@193.133
448.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@216.217
452.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.4
474.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@216.101
475.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@194.128
449.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@205.247
450.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@130.195
459.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
460.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
471.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@213.66
472.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@194.128
451.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.240
454.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@129.21
455.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
456.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.163
457.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
anon@24.4
461.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@162.33
462.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
464.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@162.33
470.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@194.128
458.
Sep 12, 2001Sep 12 2001
463.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@24.114
465.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
466.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@216.175
467.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@203.79
468.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@195.44
469.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@209.245
499.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
502.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@64.154
473.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@24.177
476.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@193.167
477.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
478.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@194.128
479.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@213.66
481.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@213.141
484.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
485.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@194.128
486.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@145.221
487.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
482.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@12.47
483.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@207.121
480.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@212.49
488.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
489.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@12.9
491.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@194.128
509.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@166.65
517.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@66.136
518.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@203.79
522.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
525.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
526.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
527.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@66.136
520.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@24.162
524.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@66.136
528.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@134.197
529.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@66.136
532.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@24.162
531.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@24.162
533.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@66.136
490.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@206.78
492.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
500.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@208.28
510.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
530.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@66.136
493.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@24.7
494.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@204.149
496.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@204.149
497.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
498.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@209.246
495.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@207.75
501.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@216.217
503.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@130.85
505.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@216.217
506.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@207.75
521.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
504.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
514.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
507.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@207.215
508.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
511.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@24.30
512.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@134.197
516.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
523.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
519.
Sep 13, 2001Sep 13 2001
anon@24.162
534.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@63.202
535.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@62.30
540.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@212.199
536.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@216.175
541.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@155.178
553.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@130.86
544.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
545.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@24.19
538.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@158.152
539.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
542.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
543.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
549.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@24.4
546.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@12.9
547.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
550.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@24.4
562.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@134.197
551.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@66.136
548.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@162.33
552.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@66.136
556.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@65.204
554.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@64.220
555.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@64.231
557.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
558.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
559.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
560.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@63.21
561.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@216.12
563.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@216.217
564.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@24.228
565.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
569.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@66.74
566.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@134.197
567.
Sep 14, 2001Sep 14 2001
anon@24.228
568.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@134.197
570.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@141.155
571.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@134.197
572.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@208.178
573.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@12.154
574.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@62.30
576.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@62.7
577.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@12.154
575.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@24.185
579.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@12.154
580.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@208.178
578.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@24.163
581.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
584.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@24.190
582.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
583.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
585.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@12.154
586.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
587.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@212.213
590.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@24.185
593.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@208.178
595.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@12.154
596.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@62.30
598.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@212.2
588.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
589.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
591.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@212.213
592.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@12.154
594.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@12.154
608.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
610.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@195.92
613.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@212.2
621.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@195.92
622.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
anon@208.178
597.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
anon@24.218
599.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
600.
Sep 15, 2001Sep 15 2001
601.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@24.190
602.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@194.197
603.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
605.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@12.154
606.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@24.30
609.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@195.156
611.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
    Re: This War
anon@24.30
620.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
     Re: This War
anon@24.185
614.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@63.128
615.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
    Re: This War
anon@62.30
616.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
     Re: This War
anon@65.92
617.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
      Re: This War
anon@62.30
618.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
       Re: This War
anon@12.92
619.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
        Re: This War
anon@12.92
635.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
     Re: This War
anon@213.177
639.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
      Re: This War
anon@213.122
640.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
       Re: This War
anon@64.162
641.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
        Re: This War
645.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
        Re: This War
646.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
         Re: This War
anon@217.5
647.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
         Feel free to correct me.
604.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@158.252
612.
Sep 16, 2001Sep 16 2001
anon@216.161
623.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
624.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
anon@158.152
625.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
626.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
anon@158.152
628.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
634.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
anon@158.152
636.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
648.
Sep 19, 2001Sep 19 2001
649.
Sep 19, 2001Sep 19 2001
650.
Apr 17, 2003Apr 17 2003
         Re: Just out of curiosity
651.
Aug 4, 2003Aug 4 2003
          Re: Just out of curiosity
627.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
anon@64.220
629.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
anon@217.81
638.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
anon@62.30
630.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
anon@216.131
631.
Sep 17, 2001Sep 17 2001
anon@24.240
632.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
anon@208.178
633.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
anon@165.228
642.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
anon@217.81
637.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
anon@207.75
643.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
644.
Sep 18, 2001Sep 18 2001
652.
Oct 28, 2003Oct 28 2003
653.
Jun 27, 2004Jun 27 2004
654.
Jan 23, 2007Jan 23 2007