Simon Says wrote on May 17, 2025, 20:51:

FTW wrote on May 17, 2025, 16:51:

Simon Says wrote on May 17, 2025, 15:52:

"Show is bad because show is bad because show is bad."

There I've pretty much summed it up. There are no real substantive arguments pushed forward or referenced, mostly just circular reasoning and confirmation bias.

I suspect it's an article that tries to pass as objective and without emotions, but is probably in reality a passive aggressive anti DEI/CRT/Woke/PC/Civil rights rant.

Meanwhile I've never played the games, watched it with zero expectations and despite being very picky about my TV series I'm quite enjoying it. I'm also not bigoted, so there's probably that which helps tons to avoid the "icks" some people seem to experience watching it.

I guess you didn't actually read the article. Talk about confirmation bias...

I read with the eye of a writer and psychologist, it's very easy for me to see things in a text that completely pass over the heads of most people.

You read with the eye of?

I've debated all day whether I should speak up on this one. But here I am, so...

I have no problem with a difference of opinions, even if the opinion expressed is extreme. But you are waving the flag of being a psychologist, a profession that in large part is the reason I didn't eat a bullet in the last few years. Do you think that assuming what someone is really saying by "reading between the lines" is what a good psychologist does? If so, I am glad that I was never your patient. I have been in decades of mental health treatment and the best psychologists do the exact opposite of that. They listen, they don't judge, and they treat everyone as an individual. They don't assume you're lying because they heard something similar before.

Thanks! Much like the force I'm always lurking around even if I don't say much though.

Unlike the reviewer here, I thought that the first season was strong. I did not think the leads were miscast at all. I didn't even bother with the second season though.

Long time no see Cyano. WB!

It's already renewed through its final season.
This game (tlou2) is really a litmus test for if you're a willing to engage with something interesting or just want something to fall pleasantly within expectations.

Ellie the lgbtqia+ shroom slayer is the whole vibe of the show now. At least Buffy was hot and less annoying. S01 was cool though.

It will get canceled like a lot of the other woke garbage that's been coming out of Hollywood lately, and nothing of significance will be lost in the process.

FTW wrote on May 17, 2025, 16:51:

Simon Says wrote on May 17, 2025, 15:52:

"Show is bad because show is bad because show is bad."

There I've pretty much summed it up. There are no real substantive arguments pushed forward or referenced, mostly just circular reasoning and confirmation bias.

I suspect it's an article that tries to pass as objective and without emotions, but is probably in reality a passive aggressive anti DEI/CRT/Woke/PC/Civil rights rant.

Meanwhile I've never played the games, watched it with zero expectations and despite being very picky about my TV series I'm quite enjoying it. I'm also not bigoted, so there's probably that which helps tons to avoid the "icks" some people seem to experience watching it.

I guess you didn't actually read the article. Talk about confirmation bias...

Quite the opposite, I read it through and through from beginning to end and read a few passages a few times over.

I read with the eye of a writer and psychologist, it's very easy for me to see things in a text that completely pass over the heads of most people.

You read with the eye of?

So most people are pissed because of the highly debated decision to off a major and beloved character in the game and then force you to play as that character's killer.

That seems like a dick move for the game but could work well for story telling purposes (see a Song of Ice and Fire) if set up correctly.

It does seem dumb to bash the TV show for following the story of the game...these are two distinctly different narrative vehicles. They did change the nature of the characters and their relationship to one another to make that plot point work better...but I'm not sure it was worth the effort.

yonder wrote on May 17, 2025, 16:14:

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on May 17, 2025, 16:00:
Not playing the games at all will most likely make the game more enjoyable... they changed a lot of details from the game for the worse, in my opinion. Also the second game splits narrative focus among two characters, which I found to be really cool in game, but it doesn't seem like it will work in the show.

There are also much more caustic critiques of the show, which definitely hamper any actual nuanced criticism. It's a shame.

Confused by the last part of the first paragraph. TONS of great shows follow multiple characters' perspectives. Virtually any drama does that.

Yeah I guess you are correct, although perhaps I didn't describe it well enough. No spoilers if you haven't played the game or watched the show, but the degree to which the viewpoint shifted in game, I can't think of another game that does it to that degree, but sure, many movies and shows, novels etc have done it before successfully. I am an episode behind at least, but so far the second season seems way more hamfisted.

Simon Says wrote on May 17, 2025, 15:52:

"Show is bad because show is bad because show is bad."

There I've pretty much summed it up. There are no real substantive arguments pushed forward or referenced, mostly just circular reasoning and confirmation bias.

I suspect it's an article that tries to pass as objective and without emotions, but is probably in reality a passive aggressive anti DEI/CRT/Woke/PC/Civil rights rant.

Meanwhile I've never played the games, watched it with zero expectations and despite being very picky about my TV series I'm quite enjoying it. I'm also not bigoted, so there's probably that which helps tons to avoid the "icks" some people seem to experience watching it.

I guess you didn't actually read the article. Talk about confirmation bias...

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on May 17, 2025, 16:00:
Not playing the games at all will most likely make the game more enjoyable... they changed a lot of details from the game for the worse, in my opinion. Also the second game splits narrative focus among two characters, which I found to be really cool in game, but it doesn't seem like it will work in the show.

There are also much more caustic critiques of the show, which definitely hamper any actual nuanced criticism. It's a shame.

Confused by the last part of the first paragraph. TONS of great shows follow multiple characters' perspectives. Virtually any drama does that.

Not playing the games at all will most likely make the game more enjoyable... they changed a lot of details from the game for the worse, in my opinion. Also the second game splits narrative focus among two characters, which I found to be really cool in game, but it doesn't seem like it will work in the show.

There are also much more caustic critiques of the show, which definitely hamper any actual nuanced criticism. It's a shame.

"Show is bad because show is bad because show is bad."

There I've pretty much summed it up. There are no real substantive arguments pushed forward or referenced, mostly just circular reasoning and confirmation bias.

I suspect it's an article that tries to pass as objective and without emotions, but is probably in reality a passive aggressive anti DEI/CRT/Woke/PC/Civil rights rant.

Meanwhile I've never played the games, watched it with zero expectations and despite being very picky about my TV series I'm quite enjoying it. I'm also not bigoted, so there's probably that which helps tons to avoid the "icks" some people seem to experience watching it.