Microsoft Break-up Broken

Microsoft Won't Be Broken Up is an Associated Press story (thanks Adrenaline Vault) with the news that there will be no further follow-up to the anti-trust-related break up of Microsoft ordered last year (story) that was subsequently reversed by an appeals court (story) which vacated the breakup order "on remedies, remand the case for reconsideration of the remedial order." According the new report, "The Bush administration, reversing the Clinton White House legal strategy against Microsoft, told the software manufacturer Thursday it no longer seeks to have the company broken up. The department also said it will not pursue the bundling issues in its protracted antitrust suit against the software giant."
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Re: I was wrong ...
Sep 10, 2001, 18:03
anon@134.197
Re: I was wrong ... Sep 10, 2001, 18:03
Sep 10, 2001, 18:03
anon@134.197
 
"Also dont forget programs like government education, social security, and of course welfare. These undermine the work ethic and contribute more to taxes."

So, the government should not fund education?

Education is one of the government's most important responsibilities today. If money should go anywhere, it should be into education. Throwing money at the problem won't do anything, but using it wisely will.

Just because you may not have kids does not excuse you from paying taxes in order to support their education.

Taxation is a fundamental part of how the government works. It would be great if they were smarter about how tax dollars are spent, but even then, you'd still need taxes in order to maintain society. Period.
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Re: Microsoft and WMP 8.0
Sep 10, 2001, 16:46
Re: Microsoft and WMP 8.0 Sep 10, 2001, 16:46
Sep 10, 2001, 16:46
 
I hate real player with all my heart.

WinAMP will probably stay strong, i know ill keep it.

As for the rest, no clue.

"They that would give up freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin
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Microsoft and WMP 8.0
Sep 10, 2001, 15:47
Bronco
 
Microsoft and WMP 8.0 Sep 10, 2001, 15:47
Sep 10, 2001, 15:47
 Bronco
 
Here's a question for those in the know:

What will happen now to programs like Real player, WinAMP and Jukebox? It looks like this is the next 'browser' war.

Will there be any reason for a new user to install these other programs now?

I also understand that this version of Windows will include a personal firewall. Bad news for BlackIce and Zonealarm huh?

I guess the final frontier for MS is antivirus software. They seem to have steered clear of that, I wonder why?


Snappy2Stroke

--I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. " - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Never in all my years...
Sep 10, 2001, 15:40
Bronco
 
Re: Never in all my years... Sep 10, 2001, 15:40
Sep 10, 2001, 15:40
 Bronco
 
The really amazing part though, is that we have an intelligent arguement going here here, at something like 110 posts

I agree, this has been an informative dialog. Aside from some minor frustration expressed on both parties sides this has been great. I tend to view things from an individual basis (my own) while some of the posters have brought a larger picture to the fore front. Can't say I readily agree with then but they do know their political ideology inside and out.

I wholeheartedly agree with whoever the hell it was that said MS has standardized the PC industry, and i think we all owe them (MS, not the poster) at least a tip of the hat for that

I'm grateful that MS has provided us with a system that can now take most of what I throw at it in stride. The other OS's don't seem to be ready for prime time like you said.



Snappy2Stroke

--I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. " - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Never in all my years...
Sep 10, 2001, 15:17
Re: Never in all my years... Sep 10, 2001, 15:17
Sep 10, 2001, 15:17
 
I agree with you about MS. In retrospect, some of the most successful companies in history are those who standardized theyre industry, and MS is no exception. They appeal to the biggest audience of consumers for their sales. I also hope we do see more threads like this, with less trolling and more intellectual arguement.

"They that would give up freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin
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Never in all my years...
Sep 10, 2001, 14:20
Never in all my years... Sep 10, 2001, 14:20
Sep 10, 2001, 14:20
 
Mind you, thats only 21 years, but never, in all those 21 years, have i seen anything quite like this. My hat is off to Shingen and Apeman, i'm absolutely amazed at the level of arguing going on here. The really amazing part though, is that we have an intelligent arguement going here here, at something like 110 posts, and absolutely no sign of The Dude! Astounding...........

Anyway's, i figured i'd throw my 1 anda half cents in here (i'm a poor college student, what can i say?), so here goes. I wholeheartedly agree with whoever the hell it was that said MS has standardized the PC industry, and i think we all owe them (MS, not the poster) at least a tip of the hat for that.

I work at CompUSA, and we had this one customer, One guy, who used BeOS. And he'd come in from time to time, and i'd end up going through an entire section of hardware products with him, trying to determine if he could use anything we carried. Can you imagine what that would be like for the normal average every day joe?

My internet doesn't work. I think i blew my soundcard...or maybe my CD-Rom..Does that sound right?

What kind of computer do you have?

Well uh....It's.....black....and...<makes hand motions outlining a tower> like this....

We get people like that all the time. people like that make up i-don't-even-wanna-know-how-much percentage of the computer using population of america, and it's for them that Microsoft exists. They are stupid...They need guidance.......THEY need microsoft.

We, of this message board, and of a generally higher technical intelligence...We do not need microsoft. We see them as bad, We see flaws in their products, we see limitations of their programs, we see the ugly side. We, of some technical affluence (in some way, shape, or form), We would rather shed ourselves of MS all together. But please...Won't someone think of the children?

Well, thats my 1 anda half cents, and i'm stickin to it

-Still a Twit
General NoNutz, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the Nation of Nutz

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Re: socialism
Sep 10, 2001, 12:39
Re: socialism Sep 10, 2001, 12:39
Sep 10, 2001, 12:39
 
Why dont you clarify these and give me an example or a reason instead of making mindless accusations against Americans? Like maybe...Where are the people who 'know stuff'? or what you think freedom is? or what you think socialism and communism are? or how we Americans are illusioned, hypocritical, and selfish? (Ignorance exists worldwide, i wont pretend America is free of that)

"They that would give up freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin
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Re: I was wrong ...
Sep 10, 2001, 12:36
Re: I was wrong ... Sep 10, 2001, 12:36
Sep 10, 2001, 12:36
 
You are correct in the fact that the government remains boss, and its doling out of taxpayers hard earned money to large corporations hurts competition. The bailouts and tax funded insurance schemes also remove risk. But these companies dont get that for free. They must play the politicians games, or else. Also dont forget programs like government education, social security, and of course welfare. These undermine the work ethic and contribute more to taxes. And to think, we are still the least socialist country in the world.

"They that would give up freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin
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I was wrong ...
Sep 10, 2001, 10:28
anon@158.252
I was wrong ... Sep 10, 2001, 10:28
Sep 10, 2001, 10:28
anon@158.252
 
You are right. We DO have socialism...

For some.

In the US, we have socialism for the big arms manufacturers and other multi-billion dollar corporations ... taxpayers keep them in wealth whether their products work or not (take Bush Incorporated's "missile defense" for instance).

Big pharmaceuticals get help from the government, which pays for research, so they can then take the results and gouge consumers with incredibly high prices ...

We have socialism for the big timber companies that log in national forests while paying almost nothing for the trees they cut down. Taxpayers fund the roads they use.

We have billion dollar taxpayer bailouts for big business, like the S&Ls, when they fail.

They get the socialism.

We, the average citizens, get cutthroat, sink or swim capitalism.
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Re: socialism
Sep 10, 2001, 09:55
anon@213.3
Re: socialism Sep 10, 2001, 09:55
Sep 10, 2001, 09:55
anon@213.3
 
Like I said before in another forum before they closed it: Can't discuss with Americans because they don't have any clue about anything; they just think they know stuff but they don't, especially about Europe, socialism, communism, etc.
They don't even know anything about their own country...
Freedom, freedom... Bulls!it I say, they don't know what freedom is, they only know what the illusion of freedom looks like...
Ignorant, Illusioned, Hypocrites, selfish, and the list goes on and on...
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socialism
Sep 10, 2001, 08:08
socialism Sep 10, 2001, 08:08
Sep 10, 2001, 08:08
 
The US is indeed on the path to socialism. As of now, it is still the most un-socialist country in the world, and the socialism preached here is not an explicit strain. Yet, it grows with every program that causes people to rely more on the government for its needs.

Anon Marxist, give it up. It has been tried and failed. It isnt because of the people who tried it, its because the idea doesnt work. How many more examples are needed?


"They that would give up freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Bush...
Sep 9, 2001, 23:56
anon@64.164
Re: Bush... Sep 9, 2001, 23:56
Sep 9, 2001, 23:56
anon@64.164
 
Thank god, now we may actually have standards. All the youthful rebel babble. If linux was an innovation than I'm god and your just foolish morons.

Linux is trying to be more like windows everyday. If it were so unique, it would be mothing like windows. Yes the Kernel is different, but the fact is that win 2000 has been just as reliable as any linux box I've used, but with all the app integration, support, and cool PNP. Why the hell would we want to start all over with linux. I'm not stepping backwards thank you.
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No subject
Sep 9, 2001, 23:43
anon@63.202
No subject Sep 9, 2001, 23:43
Sep 9, 2001, 23:43
anon@63.202
 
God the misinformation being spewed from these capitalists about Marx make me want to vomit... They are basically basing what his believes were on what other leaders claimed to be doing in his name such as Lenin, Stalin, and Mao who all followed little of Marx's ideas. Dictatorship of the workers did NOT mean there was an actually dictatorship, it meant that control of production and government would be moved away from the elitist ruling class and into the hands of the workers and common majority of the population. Marx would say that government now is a dictatorship of the capitalists. Corporations and greed almost completely dictates government action... just look at the US's war history.. vietnam, iraq, etc. It was all done in the name of corporations and greed. What about US intervention and funding of brutal dictators in south america? The evidence is all there. All I have to say to capitalists now is that you better watch out... change is coming if the corporate globalization protests are any indication. The numbers of protesters is only growing. The myth of the "New Economy" is quickly falling apart... the income gap is growing and with it will only come more restlessness and distrust of capitalism, the rotten system.

If any one is interested in Marxism and it's applications to modern day I would read Cyber-Marx... also www.marxists.org is a great resource... it gives unbiased and factual information regarding Marxism, Communism history in Russia and around the world.

In struggle
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Re: Individualism
Sep 9, 2001, 22:31
anon@158.252
Re: Individualism Sep 9, 2001, 22:31
Sep 9, 2001, 22:31
anon@158.252
 
"Wrong. The very fact that the government has the power to break up a company at its whim discredits your theory. I suggest you find out what socialism is before criticizing me."

So ... the fact that the DOJ--before BUSH INC. took over--tried to stop Microsoft from using illegal business tactics--that proves we're heading towards socialism?

Well, I can't win against an airtight argument like that. I think I'll just give up now.

Thanks a lot folks; you've been a lovely audience!
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Re: Individualism
Sep 9, 2001, 20:52
Re: Individualism Sep 9, 2001, 20:52
Sep 9, 2001, 20:52
 
Id be more interested in how you think things should work, since is appears to me you are merely trying to incite something.

Hey, I'm not the one here who is railing against governments restricting the right of the individual. Personally, I think it's all down to give and take - having a government means you have certain rights, privileges, protections that you would not have on your own. In return, you give up some of your individual rights as well. There's no such thing as a free lunch!

nothing less than a revolution will turn the US around from its path to socialism.

Uhhh....
Are you serious?
"US on its path to socialism"?! You seem to have an odd perspective on things. Are you one of those militia guys or something? The USA is about the most un-socialist country I can think of.

Also, Apeman, may I ask what nationality you are?

Sure. I'm a citizen of the European Union.

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Re: Individualism
Sep 9, 2001, 19:17
99.
Re: Individualism Sep 9, 2001, 19:17
Sep 9, 2001, 19:17
 
The US is on the path towards "socialism - ?"
Is THAT what you said, Cyrezar?

I think you are having a little problem with, uh, "perspective."

Corporate control over the US government (not to mention most of the world) has never been greater.
All those multi-national companies, the big pharmaceuticals, the big oil companies, etc, with the millions of dollars they "contribute" to both Republicans and Democrats - you are saying they are doing so to further SOCIALISM?

That's insane.

The only possible way your "idea" could be correct is if a handful of the ACTUAL socialists in this country, who are laughably far out on the political fringe when it comes to real POWER, were somehow secretly controling all those big multi-national companies.

Yet, you actually claim that "nothing less than a revolution will turn the US around from its path to socialism."

That statement is so utterly out of touch with political reality I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to it.

Wrong. The very fact that the government has the power to break up a company at its whim discredits your theory. I suggest you find out what socialism is before criticizing me.

"They that would give up freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Individualism
Sep 9, 2001, 15:11
anon@158.252
98.
Re: Individualism Sep 9, 2001, 15:11
Sep 9, 2001, 15:11
anon@158.252
 
The US is on the path towards "socialism - ?"
Is THAT what you said, Cyrezar?

I think you are having a little problem with, uh, "perspective."

Corporate control over the US government (not to mention most of the world) has never been greater.
All those multi-national companies, the big pharmaceuticals, the big oil companies, etc, with the millions of dollars they "contribute" to both Republicans and Democrats - you are saying they are doing so to further SOCIALISM?

That's insane.

The only possible way your "idea" could be correct is if a handful of the ACTUAL socialists in this country, who are laughably far out on the political fringe when it comes to real POWER, were somehow secretly controling all those big multi-national companies.

Yet, you actually claim that "nothing less than a revolution will turn the US around from its path to socialism."

That statement is so utterly out of touch with political reality I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to it.
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Re: Individualism
Sep 9, 2001, 08:30
97.
Re: Individualism Sep 9, 2001, 08:30
Sep 9, 2001, 08:30
 
Right then... so since you see so many things wrong with this government, or even with government per se, I would be interested to see your vision of how things should be run in a non-contaminated capitalist way. Please make sure your ideas could be made to work in a country numbering 200 million people...

Id be more interested in how you think things should work, since is appears to me you are merely trying to incite something. This is also an unrealistic question, since nothing less than a revolution will turn the US around from its path to socialism. I will tell you this much: The ideal is individual rights.

Also, Apeman, may I ask what nationality you are?

"They that would give up freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Individualism
Sep 8, 2001, 18:50
96.
Re: Individualism Sep 8, 2001, 18:50
Sep 8, 2001, 18:50
 
No, but that a government exists does not mean that government must exploit by force.

Right then... so since you see so many things wrong with this government, or even with government per se, I would be interested to see your vision of how things should be run in a non-contaminated capitalist way. Please make sure your ideas could be made to work in a country numbering 200 million people...

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Re: Capitalism
Sep 8, 2001, 18:47
95.
Re: Capitalism Sep 8, 2001, 18:47
Sep 8, 2001, 18:47
 
I'm not a libertarian. I am a capitalist, and I am an American.

See? I know one when I see one.

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