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Isn't this where UBI starts becoming part of the conversation as well? I mean, if we are aiming specifically for that "utopia" option with regards to AI. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of out-of-work people with no money and no options....and that has never turned out well at any stage of our species' history.
Desalus wrote on Apr 21, 2025, 09:55:Besiroglu argues to the naysayers that having agents do all the work will actually enrich humans, not impoverish them, through “explosive economic growth.
The founder sounds absolutely delusional. A disruption this enormous to how current society works would not bode well for the vast majority of people. I'm reminded of the film Elysium where the super rich have their enclave and everyone else outside of it are left to rot.
Besiroglu is 100% correct, he's going to be rich AF!
Desalus wrote on Apr 21, 2025, 09:55:Besiroglu argues to the naysayers that having agents do all the work will actually enrich humans, not impoverish them, through “explosive economic growth.
The founder sounds absolutely delusional. A disruption this enormous to how current society works would not bode well for the vast majority of people. I'm reminded of the film Elysium where the super rich have their enclave and everyone else outside of it are left to rot.
You mean like the super rich taking over space agencies so that they can be the first to evacuate and to decide who may follow and serve them? Or that the fiscal patricians buy private islands on Earth where they are free from being harassed by governments and plebeians? Bah, not happening, totally science fiction and fake facts by envious poor people. Right?
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Besiroglu argues to the naysayers that having agents do all the work will actually enrich humans, not impoverish them, through “explosive economic growth.
The founder sounds absolutely delusional. A disruption this enormous to how current society works would not bode well for the vast majority of people. I'm reminded of the film Elysium where the super rich have their enclave and everyone else outside of it are left to rot.
Prez wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 20:47:Burrito of Peace wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 18:57:MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 13:53:
If not... global warfare on a scale humanity has never experienced. Widespread poverty, extreme consolidation of wealth and property, that would make the current situation seem like the good old days.
Stop. My penis can only get so erect.
I laughed. Hard. Umm.. I mean that my laughter was more than just moderate. You know... Hard. I mean... of course I wasn't laughing WHILE I was... oh fuck it.
I found your retort quite amusing such that my joviality was quite ostensible.
Glad you laughed!
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JTW wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 21:53:Problem: if people are no longer needed and have no jobs, they also won't have money to buy goods. So who would big companies sell their stuff to? The billionaires don't buy millions of cheap clothes from Vietnam.
One theory is that with enough automation, nobody would have to work, but we'd still produce enough for everyone, leading to a world in which we could pursue leisure/interests rather than pursuing the market for survival.
It's more likely that we'd reach a point where the rich don't need us anymore. Imagine if the billionaire corpos didn't actually need the rest of humanity to maintain what they have. We'd either be dead, or we'd be morlocks.
The economy would collapse and Mad Max would roam the Australian Outback pretty soon.
...we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
One theory is that with enough automation, nobody would have to work, but we'd still produce enough for everyone, leading to a world in which we could pursue leisure/interests rather than pursuing the market for survival.
It's more likely that we'd reach a point where the rich don't need us anymore. Imagine if the billionaire corpos didn't actually need the rest of humanity to maintain what they have. We'd either be dead, or we'd be morlocks.
It's more likely that we'd reach a point where the rich don't need us anymore. Imagine if the billionaire corpos didn't actually need the rest of humanity to maintain what they have. We'd either be dead, or we'd be morlocks.
Jim wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 15:19:Not in the US. Thanks to the genius of the current president, all US workers will have jobs as robot repair technicians. Only the rest of the world will be unemployed and poor.
There are two trains of thought for AI.
The first is that AI will decimate jobs and make everyone worse off.
The second is that AI can support people doing existing jobs and make them better
Will be interesting to see which comes true.
...we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
Burrito of Peace wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 18:57:MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 13:53:
If not... global warfare on a scale humanity has never experienced. Widespread poverty, extreme consolidation of wealth and property, that would make the current situation seem like the good old days.
Stop. My penis can only get so erect.
I laughed. Hard. Umm.. I mean that my laughter was more than just moderate. You know... Hard. I mean... of course I wasn't laughing WHILE I was... oh fuck it.
I found your retort quite amusing such that my joviality was quite ostensible.
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 13:53:
If not... global warfare on a scale humanity has never experienced. Widespread poverty, extreme consolidation of wealth and property, that would make the current situation seem like the good old days.
Stop. My penis can only get so erect.
"Just take a look around you, what do you see? Pain, suffering, and misery." -Black Sabbath, Killing Yourself to Live.
“Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Purveyor of cute, fuzzy, pink bunny slippers.
“Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Purveyor of cute, fuzzy, pink bunny slippers.
All companies would go out of business because no one would have money to buy anything.
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 13:53:
global warfare on a scale humanity has never experienced. Widespread poverty, extreme consolidation of wealth and property, that would make the current situation seem like the good old days. .
Sweet, I’ll finely have lived during the good old days.
Jim wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 15:19:There's a third one, kind of like the second one except it makes things worse.
There are two trains of thought for AI.
The first is that AI will decimate jobs and make everyone worse off.
The second is that AI can support people doing existing jobs and make them better
Will be interesting to see which comes true.
Jim wrote on Apr 20, 2025, 15:19:Which one saves corporations money.
There are two trains of thought for AI.
The first is that AI will decimate jobs and make everyone worse off.
The second is that AI can support people doing existing jobs and make them better
Will be interesting to see which comes true.
There are two trains of thought for AI.
The first is that AI will decimate jobs and make everyone worse off.
The second is that AI can support people doing existing jobs and make them better
Will be interesting to see which comes true.
The first is that AI will decimate jobs and make everyone worse off.
The second is that AI can support people doing existing jobs and make them better
Will be interesting to see which comes true.
The automation of all jobs would lead to a potential paradise, assuming capitalism died slightly before full automation.
If not... global warfare on a scale humanity has never experienced. Widespread poverty, extreme consolidation of wealth and property, that would make the current situation seem like the good old days.
The curse of interesting times continues.
If not... global warfare on a scale humanity has never experienced. Widespread poverty, extreme consolidation of wealth and property, that would make the current situation seem like the good old days.
The curse of interesting times continues.
Awesome! Now we have a solution to the slave labor scam telemarketing sector. Instead of humans chained to desks, we can just train AIs to do telemarketing scam calls.
DEI hire? Oh how cute, you think you found a way of being a racist without sounding racist. That's adorable!
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