Is anyone gonna mention the LTT video? Seems like his was the most coherent nvidia review in a long time, specifically just highlighting all the bullshit.

My 3070 from 2020 is only 8GB and I haven't had any issue maxing the latest games...
Which game is supposed to be crippling me? Playing stuff like Stalker 2 and Indiana Jones and the Great Circle (which looks really really good to my eye... polished game for sure).

I've also been able to play around with local AI models, smaller ones of course, but 8GB is enough for those.

RogueSix wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 13:33:

El Pit wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 13:26:

phinn wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 13:01:

El Pit wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 12:39:
Green Shills recommend 8 GB VRAM - it's futureproof!
A 5060 Ti with 8 GB... Nvidia is really taking a piss into their customers' mouths right there while telling them "It's the best champagne EVER!"
But as long as the dumb masses buy, why should they change anything?

Did you not read? These are 16GB models. No one is recommended an 8GB GPU in 2025.

And did you know that Nvidia is not sending 8GB models to reviewers to make sure no bad reviews can happen?

Which is an exceptionally smart move. I would not send those ungrateful YouTube clowns any review samples either. Let the shitcocks buy their cards like regular customers if they want to produce their stupid clickbait review vids with "funneh" thumbnails while ignoring FACTS like the Steam hardware survey which shows that the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of gamers is perfectly fine with 8GB (and less) of VRAM.

And 53% of gamers (Steam 2024 Year in Review stats) are playing games from 2016 and BEFORE. There is still a HUGE market for 8GB cards cuz the majority of people play ancient shit.

If anyone needs more VRAM then there is the 16GB option and up to 32GB VRAM on the RTX 5090. Buy what you need. Simple as that. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head or forcing anyone to buy a card that's not right for their use case.

Uh, if you're only playing games from 2016 era then you don't need anything more than a rtx 3000 series, if that. A 8gb vram card for anything more than $200-250 is a joke, especially if you want to use ray tracing, upscaling and now frame gen even at 1080p resolution.

Argonius the 3rd wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 18:47:

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 18:14:
Like integrated graphics /APUs, mini pcs like NUCs, low cost laptops, handhelds, consoles, etc

Rumors suggest Q4 2025 for Zen 5 with RDNA 3.5... an evolution of what's found in the handhelds like Asus ROG Ally. Maybe the larger die and higher power limits will unleash capable 1080p performance.

Argonius the 3rd wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 18:47:

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 18:14:

...including completely new users that have never bought a GPU before. That's the target audience. If they want new people to jump in, and they need new people to jump in like any other product, they need to have entry-level stuff. It's like drug dealing in that way..got to give them a taste to get interested and spend more.

I don't think newcomers will buy this either. It's a competitive landscape and there are much better deals for new users targeting 1080p gaming. Like integrated graphics /APUs, mini pcs like NUCs, low cost laptops, handhelds, consoles, etc

That is a compelling viewpoint, given the pricing and how many integrated chips and consoles aren't based on Nvidia.

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 18:14:

...including completely new users that have never bought a GPU before. That's the target audience. If they want new people to jump in, and they need new people to jump in like any other product, they need to have entry-level stuff. It's like drug dealing in that way..got to give them a taste to get interested and spend more.

I don't think newcomers will buy this either. It's a competitive landscape and there are much better deals for new users targeting 1080p gaming. Like integrated graphics /APUs, mini pcs like NUCs, low cost laptops, handhelds, consoles, etc

Avus wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 17:19:

RogueSix wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 17:03:

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 15:57:
To RogueSix's point, not only do 53% of Steam users only have 8GB of VRAM or less, but 58% game in 1080p. I wanted to game in 2k and 144 mhz, so that played a part in my purchasing decision as well.

Sorry but I never said that. What I said is:

- 53% of Steam gamers have played games from 2016 and BEFORE in the year 2024 (source is the 2024 'Year in Review' stats on Steam). There is no direct correlation of this number to VRAM and I never claimed there was. What I said is that this number shows that there is a HUGE market for cards like the 5060(Ti) series because a majority of gamers (53% is the majority after all) played games older than seven years in 2024.
- 69.64% of Steam gamers own a card with 8GB VRAM on board OR LESS (source is the Steam hardware survey, March 2025)
- Out of those 69.64%, 35.52% have a card with *exactly* 8GB VRAM which makes up the single largest group BY FAR... it also means that 34.12% own a card with LESS than 8GB VRAM
- The single largest group of 8GB VRAM owners (35.52%) is followed by 12GB VRAM cards at 18.42% so the second largest group is only about HALF the size of 8GB VRAM owners
- Only 7.18% of Steam gamers own a card with 16GB VRAM or more or, if we are generous and add the 0.73% 'Other' (could be RTX 5090 owners with 32GB VRAM) to this figure then it is 7.91% maximum of gamers who own a card with equal or greater than 16GB VRAM
- 56.49% of gamers have a primary display res of *exactly* 1080p and a total of 64.03% of gamers have a primary display res of 1080p OR LOWER

All of this proves that there is a significant market for 8GB VRAM cards. The resident haters need to make up your minds. You comedians like to call nVidia "nGreedia" (a real knee slapper right there!). You think a greedy company would release cards that no one wants? Really? Nope. Say about nVidia what you will but they know their market. They know these stats, too. 8GB VRAM is far and beyond the largest demographic on Steam with a huge lead.
Most people out there aren't like us core gamers. We are the niche, not them. Metric fucktons of peeps game on a budget and play old shit. FACTS. Proven by the numbers above that were drawn from Steam's publicly accessible info.

If someone doesn't want an 8GB VRAM card then they have a myriad of other options from nVidia as well as AMD and even Intel. Again: No one holding no guns to no one's heads. It's never been easier than today to make a somewhat educated purchasing decision because you have a gazillion hardware/gaming websites and YouTube shitfluencers to obtain any information that you might need for YOUR individual use case. Need more than 8GB VRAM? Don't buy this card. Simplez as fuck.

Your reasoning logic is wrong. You are thinking 8GB V/C users will always enough with 8GB V/C. If this is your excuse, then we should still stuck on 1 or 2GB V/C. We just need faster GPU with 1 or 2GB VRAM. All the % numbers you cut and paste above are NOT 2025 GPU with 8GB (or less) VRAM. It is very wrong to say if a 2024 or older GPU with 8GB VRAM is ok in 2025, therefore a 2025 GPU with 8GB VRAM will be ok in 2025 and "later". Your cut and paste text wall has NO evidence to suggest that.

^ And who said that? Not me, bro. Quite the contrary. I said REPEATEDLY that anyone who thinks they need more than 8GB VRAM needs to buy a card with more VRAM. What a concept! Captain Obvious to the rescue.

What I said, also REPEATEDLY, is that actual FACTS and STATS prove that a MAJORITY of people in 2024 didn't actually play 2024 games. They also did not play 2023 games. Or 2022 games. Or 2021 games. Or 2020 games. Or 2019 games. Or 2018 games. Or 2017 games. No. The Steam STATS and FACTS prove that the MAJORITY of gamers (53%) in 2024 played games from the year 2016 and BEFORE/EARLIER.
47% played games from the last 1 to 7 years according to Steam. They don't differentiate further but this is a pretty long time span as well. Edit: Well, 15% of gamers played a 2024 release so those could be subtracted from the 47%, i.e. 15% played at least one 2024 release, 32% played a game released between 2017 to 2023 and 53% played games from 2016 or earlier.

So, why would the MAJORITY of gamers care about your "2025 and later" talk? They don't even PLAY "2025 and later" games. They play old shit. So, YES, it is and it will be OK for THEM to own a card with 8GB of VRAM.

Also, back to the FACTS and STATS: 34.12% of gamers own a card with LESS THAN 8GB VRAM. Why would they not upgrade to a card with 8GB VRAM in 2025 if it is within their budget and if they happen to be among those gamers who mostly play very undemanding games?

Many of y'all have a totally skewed and very narrow-minded perspective. Try to look at the greater picture. Another STAT AND FACT I posted in the other thread already: The average Steam user in 2024 played FOUR games in total. FOUR. Same FOUR games median for 2023 by the way. It was a whopping FIVE games in 2022 (but that was a CoVid year).
Also, only 9% of Steam gamers played any game that was actually released in 2023. NINE percent. Single digits. This number was higher in 2024. 15% of gamers played any game released in 2024. Still a very low percentage.

I'm a core gamer through and through. AMD 9800X3D, 64GB RAM, RTX 4090, 2x Samsung 990 Pro 4TB, 4K 42" OLED G-Sync compatible screen, yada, yada, but I'm not blind to the fact that there is a HUUUUUGE demographic who only play CS, Dota 2, LoL, Minecraft, Roblox, Fortnite and stuff like that (granted, some of those are not on Steam and not included in the stats above).
There is a market for these cards in 2025 because the majority of gamers doesn't even play 2025 releases. The majority of gamers plays games from 2016 AND EARLIER. Factually proven by Steam stats.

Argonius the 3rd wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 17:24:

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 16:58:
Argonius, I would need to read more about how you arrived at that conclusion to agree. It's certainly plausible, I suppose.

PC users who already already own an 8gb gpu, will not buy an 8gb gpu again ! Especially for 500$ ! Releasing 8Gb cards is a regressive move by Nvidia.

See, you could be right, and it could be that simple, but it doesn't quite add up to me. I mean, 8GB is definitely going to not be enough "soonish" and it isn't enough for performance gamers now...that part I get. But that's what all the mid to high-end cards are for. Existing users with 8gb will upgrade to a 12 or 16 gb card, which Nvidia offers. Eight GB is still great for 1080p gaming of existing games, and the stats say there is a significant audience for that...including completely new users that have never bought a GPU before. That's the target audience. If they want new people to jump in, and they need new people to jump in like any other product, they need to have entry-level stuff. It's like drug dealing in that way..got to give them a taste to get interested and spend more. If 8gb was ALL that Nvidia offered, I totally see the point being made, but that just isn't the case.

As for pricing, it's all overpriced. Bottom to top. MSRP to actual shelf prices to scalpers. Way overpriced. But then I go pay it, so I guess that makes me part of the problem there.

RogueSix wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 17:03:

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 15:57:
To RogueSix's point, not only do 53% of Steam users only have 8GB of VRAM or less, but 58% game in 1080p. I wanted to game in 2k and 144 mhz, so that played a part in my purchasing decision as well.

Sorry but I never said that. What I said is...

To quote a clown: "When you have the choice between a turd sandwich, and a turd sandwich, you can't blame gamers for buying a turd sandwich."

4060 sucked, had 8GB, and 16GB rarely helped.
5060 continues the suckage, especially at +$500 USD AIB price.

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 16:58:
Argonius, I would need to read more about how you arrived at that conclusion to agree. It's certainly plausible, I suppose.

PC users who already already own an 8gb gpu, will not buy an 8gb gpu again ! Especially for 500$ ! Releasing 8Gb cards is a regressive move by Nvidia.

This comment was edited on Apr 16, 2025, 17:40.

RogueSix wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 17:03:

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 15:57:
To RogueSix's point, not only do 53% of Steam users only have 8GB of VRAM or less, but 58% game in 1080p. I wanted to game in 2k and 144 mhz, so that played a part in my purchasing decision as well.

Sorry but I never said that. What I said is:

- 53% of Steam gamers have played games from 2016 and BEFORE in the year 2024 (source is the 2024 'Year in Review' stats on Steam). There is no direct correlation of this number to VRAM and I never claimed there was. What I said is that this number shows that there is a HUGE market for cards like the 5060(Ti) series because a majority of gamers (53% is the majority after all) played games older than seven years in 2024.
- 69.64% of Steam gamers own a card with 8GB VRAM on board OR LESS (source is the Steam hardware survey, March 2025)
- Out of those 69.64%, 35.52% have a card with *exactly* 8GB VRAM which makes up the single largest group BY FAR... it also means that 34.12% own a card with LESS than 8GB VRAM
- The single largest group of 8GB VRAM owners (35.52%) is followed by 12GB VRAM cards at 18.42% so the second largest group is only about HALF the size of 8GB VRAM owners
- Only 7.18% of Steam gamers own a card with 16GB VRAM or more or, if we are generous and add the 0.73% 'Other' (could be RTX 5090 owners with 32GB VRAM) to this figure then it is 7.91% maximum of gamers who own a card with equal or greater than 16GB VRAM
- 56.49% of gamers have a primary display res of *exactly* 1080p and a total of 64.03% of gamers have a primary display res of 1080p OR LOWER

All of this proves that there is a significant market for 8GB VRAM cards. The resident haters need to make up your minds. You comedians like to call nVidia "nGreedia" (a real knee slapper right there!). You think a greedy company would release cards that no one wants? Really? Nope. Say about nVidia what you will but they know their market. They know these stats, too. 8GB VRAM is far and beyond the largest demographic on Steam with a huge lead.
Most people out there aren't like us core gamers. We are the niche, not them. Metric fucktons of peeps game on a budget and play old shit. FACTS. Proven by the numbers above that were drawn from Steam's publicly accessible info.

If someone doesn't want an 8GB VRAM card then they have a myriad of other options from nVidia as well as AMD and even Intel. Again: No one holding no guns to no one's heads. It's never been easier than today to make a somewhat educated purchasing decision because you have a gazillion hardware/gaming websites and YouTube shitfluencers to obtain any information that you might need for YOUR individual use case. Need more than 8GB VRAM? Don't buy this card. Simplez as fuck.

Your reasoning logic is wrong. You are thinking 8GB V/C users will always enough with 8GB V/C. If this is your excuse, then we should still stuck on 1 or 2GB V/C. We just need faster GPU with 1 or 2GB VRAM. All the % numbers you cut and paste above are NOT 2025 GPU with 8GB (or less) VRAM. It is very wrong to say if a 2024 or older GPU with 8GB VRAM is ok in 2025, therefore a 2025 GPU with 8GB VRAM will be ok in 2025 and "later". Your cut and paste text wall has NO evidence to suggest that.

This comment was edited on Apr 16, 2025, 17:30.

jdreyer wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 17:05:
There are so many superior choices than LTT.

Divination from entrails is a superior choice than LTT. Some random hobo gesticulating wildly and ranting about lizard alien Illuminati conspiracies is a superior choice.

WaltSee wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 16:57:
I watched about three minutes of the Linus "review" *cough*, and I have to say that his conclusion at the beginning is something I can agree with, completely...;) One of Linus' finest!...;) I don't see how watching it past a few minutes is worth it, though, since he had nothing to actually review. YMMV. Maybe.

...Of course, I'm waiting to purchase a 9070 XT at something close to MSRP, so it looks like the GPU manufacturers are sort of moving us all down the VIP customer list these days in favor of the far more profitable mirage of the "AI" genie. We've been injected into the VUP category, suddenly, as Very Unimportant Customers, apparently.

There are so many superior choices than LTT.

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 15:57:
To RogueSix's point, not only do 53% of Steam users only have 8GB of VRAM or less, but 58% game in 1080p. I wanted to game in 2k and 144 mhz, so that played a part in my purchasing decision as well.

Sorry but I never said that. What I said is:

- 53% of Steam gamers have played games from 2016 and BEFORE in the year 2024 (source is the 2024 'Year in Review' stats on Steam). There is no direct correlation of this number to VRAM and I never claimed there was. What I said is that this number shows that there is a HUGE market for cards like the 5060(Ti) series because a majority of gamers (53% is the majority after all) played games older than seven years in 2024.
- 69.64% of Steam gamers own a card with 8GB VRAM on board OR LESS (source is the Steam hardware survey, March 2025)
- Out of those 69.64%, 35.52% have a card with *exactly* 8GB VRAM which makes up the single largest group BY FAR... it also means that 34.12% own a card with LESS than 8GB VRAM
- The single largest group of 8GB VRAM owners (35.52%) is followed by 12GB VRAM cards at 18.42% so the second largest group is only about HALF the size of 8GB VRAM owners
- Only 7.18% of Steam gamers own a card with 16GB VRAM or more or, if we are generous and add the 0.73% 'Other' (could be RTX 5090 owners with 32GB VRAM) to this figure then it is 7.91% maximum of gamers who own a card with equal or greater than 16GB VRAM
- 56.49% of gamers have a primary display res of *exactly* 1080p and a total of 64.03% of gamers have a primary display res of 1080p OR LOWER

All of this proves that there is a significant market for 8GB VRAM cards. The resident haters need to make up your minds. You comedians like to call nVidia "nGreedia" (a real knee slapper right there!). You think a greedy company would release cards that no one wants? Really? Nope. Say about nVidia what you will but they know their market. They know these stats, too. 8GB VRAM is far and beyond the largest demographic on Steam with a huge lead.
Most people out there aren't like us core gamers. We are the niche, not them. Metric fucktons of peeps game on a budget and play old shit. FACTS. Proven by the numbers above that were drawn from Steam's publicly accessible info.

If someone doesn't want an 8GB VRAM card then they have a myriad of other options from nVidia as well as AMD and even Intel. Again: No one holding no guns to no one's heads. It's never been easier than today to make a somewhat educated purchasing decision because you have a gazillion hardware/gaming websites and YouTube shitfluencers to obtain any information that you might need for YOUR individual use case. Need more than 8GB VRAM? Don't buy this card. Simplez as fuck.

Argonius, I would need to read more about how you arrived at that conclusion to agree. It's certainly plausible, I suppose.

I watched about three minutes of the Linus "review" *cough*, and I have to say that his conclusion at the beginning is something I can agree with, completely...;) One of Linus' finest!...;) I don't see how watching it past a few minutes is worth it, though, since he had nothing to actually review. YMMV. Maybe.

...Of course, I'm waiting to purchase a 9070 XT at something close to MSRP, so it looks like the GPU manufacturers are sort of moving us all down the VIP customer list these days in favor of the far more profitable mirage of the "AI" genie. We've been injected into the VUP category, suddenly, as Very Unimportant Customers, apparently.

Jivaro wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 15:57:
I bought a 2060 back in the day. It was great for the time and for the games I was playing. I didn't start running into settings problems until about 2 years ago. Last year, I upgraded my gaming rig top to bottom, relegated the 2060 to the "old games computer" in the Jivarocave, and bought a 4070 series. The logic being that 16 GB of RAM and the improved GPU would be better suited for my gaming, because we are at the end of a console generation. The release of the PSPro and the Switch2 ensures that many games will have increased recommended hardware specs, so it feels like that was a good move in hindsight. AI did not factor into my decision.

All of this is to say, I think most people would be more than fine with a X060 series, particularly if they are gaming in 1080p. To RogueSix's point, not only do 53% of Steam users only have 8GB of VRAM or less, but 58% game in 1080p. I wanted to game in 2k and 144 mhz, so that played a part in my purchasing decision as well.

Those steam percentages do not imply that there is a market for 8Gb/1080 cards. Quite the opposite, it states that the 8Gb/1080 market is oversaturated.

Nvidia low range video card start at $500Cdn, mid range $1000Cdn, high end $2000Cdn

I think it is safe to say use 2x GPU price to budget a gaming system is pretty spot on.
Example:
$500 GPU + $500 for the rest of computer parts = $1000 gaming computer
$2000 GPU + $2000 for the rest of the computer parts for a $4000 gaming computer.

This comment was edited on Apr 16, 2025, 16:59.

I bought a 2060 back in the day. It was great for the time and for the games I was playing. I didn't start running into settings problems until about 2 years ago. Last year, I upgraded my gaming rig top to bottom, relegated the 2060 to the "old games computer" in the Jivarocave, and bought a 4070 series. The logic being that 16 GB of RAM and the improved GPU would be better suited for my gaming, because we are at the end of a console generation. The release of the PSPro and the Switch2 ensures that many games will have increased recommended hardware specs, so it feels like that was a good move in hindsight. AI did not factor into my decision.

All of this is to say, I think most people would be more than fine with a X060 series, particularly if they are gaming in 1080p. To RogueSix's point, not only do 53% of Steam users only have 8GB of VRAM or less, but 58% game in 1080p. I wanted to game in 2k and 144 mhz, so that played a part in my purchasing decision as well.

Xeth Nyrrow wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 14:53:
This is the one card that should be offered with 8GB VRAM but it's foolish to over it on any of the higher models.It's kind of mind boggling because the point is to save on costs but NVIDIA doesn't care about passing that on to the consumer with their predatory pricing anyways.

Huh? The 8GB model is coming as the base RTX 5060 for $299, they already announced it. There is likely an 8GB Ti version coming too just last gen which both versions. I would avoid that on the Ti model though, 8GB is really a low end GPU thing these days.