RogueSix wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 04:56:

El Pit wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 03:25:

theglaze wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 00:12:

Simon Says wrote on Apr 15, 2025, 18:24:
Nvidia sinking to new (1%) lows.

"Nvidia explicitly preventing AIB partners" from sending out 8GB models for reviewers...

Let Team Green shills explain why this is the best ever amazing idea and totally great for potential buyers. Anyone? Rogue 6 maybe? Can you please spin this for us?

Sure thing . There is a simple rule based on factual, empirical evidence: The louder the YouTube clowns are whining, the better nVidia is doing.

I already posted numbers and facts before (below). The 8GB VRAM is a non-issue. The vast, vast, vast majority of gamers, according to the most popular PC gaming platform, own cards with 8GB VRAM or less. Just look up the Steam hardware survey. It's a fact.
And the Year in Review stats also speak for themselves. There is a HUGE market for cards like this. Not everyone "needs" a RTX 4090/5080/5090.

If y'all don't wanna buy one of these then don't. Simple. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy an 8GB VRAM card. It's never been easier than today to do your research and find out which graphics card is right for you. Everyone needs to decide for themselves whether the RTX 5060(Ti) is worth it to them at the asking price. It's all very simple, really.

And the main point you seem to keep missing: People who play games that only require 8GB VRAM don't need a 30xx or better card in the first place. The features that make those cards worth it aren't useful for games that aren't trying to pour a ton of data into VRAM.

These people are going for the cheapest option available (likely due to a tight budget), not the new shiny hotness. The kind of people who will want to keep their graphics card below $200 (and preferably closer to $150).

El Pit wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 03:25:

theglaze wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 00:12:

Simon Says wrote on Apr 15, 2025, 18:24:
Nvidia sinking to new (1%) lows.

"Nvidia explicitly preventing AIB partners" from sending out 8GB models for reviewers...

Let Team Green shills explain why this is the best ever amazing idea and totally great for potential buyers. Anyone? Rogue 6 maybe? Can you please spin this for us?

Sure thing . There is a simple rule based on factual, empirical evidence: The louder the YouTube clowns are whining, the better nVidia is doing.

I already posted numbers and facts before (below). The 8GB VRAM is a non-issue. The vast, vast, vast majority of gamers, according to the most popular PC gaming platform, own cards with 8GB VRAM or less. Just look up the Steam hardware survey. It's a fact.
And the Year in Review stats also speak for themselves. There is a HUGE market for cards like this. Not everyone "needs" a RTX 4090/5080/5090.

If y'all don't wanna buy one of these then don't. Simple. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy an 8GB VRAM card. It's never been easier than today to do your research and find out which graphics card is right for you. Everyone needs to decide for themselves whether the RTX 5060(Ti) is worth it to them at the asking price. It's all very simple, really.

theglaze wrote on Apr 16, 2025, 00:12:

Simon Says wrote on Apr 15, 2025, 18:24:
Nvidia sinking to new (1%) lows.

"Nvidia explicitly preventing AIB partners" from sending out 8GB models for reviewers...

Let Team Green shills explain why this is the best ever amazing idea and totally great for potential buyers. Anyone? Rogue 6 maybe? Can you please spin this for us?

Simon Says wrote on Apr 15, 2025, 18:24:
Nvidia sinking to new (1%) lows.

"Nvidia explicitly preventing AIB partners" from sending out 8GB models for reviewers...

Nvidia sinking to new (1%) lows.

$400 USD video card with 8GB VRAM is waste of silicon

But as long as stupid people still buying them, nvidia will still make them.

How many here bought RTX4060 8GB?? Just asking.

RogueSix wrote on Apr 15, 2025, 17:39:
Depends. There's a fuckton of people out there who only play Counter-Strike, LoL, Dota 2 or other really weird shit like that on a 1080p ancient TFT display. What would they need more than 8GB for?

Those people also wouldn't need anything more powerful than a GTX 960 or similar. A 50xx card is way beyond what they should consider.

Manufacturing is a volume game. You produce the low margin high volume products to subsidize the high margin low volume ones.

Depends. There's a fuckton of people out there who only play Counter-Strike, LoL, Dota 2 or other really weird shit like that on a 1080p ancient TFT display. What would they need more than 8GB for?

Just look at the Steam hardware survey. Cards with 8GB or less are still FAR in the lead.
Then we also have the Year in Review stats from Steam which tells us (2024 numbers) that the Steam median for played games is a whopping 4 games, the median for unlocked achievements is 13 and only 47% of playtime by all Steam users was spent in releases from the last 1 to 7 years, i.e. more than half spent their time in older games from 2016 and before.

The filthy casual is real. Casuals don't need more than 8GB VRAM. nVidia are addressing a huge and very viable market with this card. We'll see in a few months or a year where it has settled into the Steam hardware survey. I wouldn't be too surprised if it is in the top 10 in a year.
And if it isn't then no one cares. Least of all nVidia who are making pennies from each sale of a measly 60 class card while AI/DC revenue is off the charts and making up 90%+ of their revenue anyway.

8GB card seems like a non-starter to me. That compares unfavourably to the 3060.

Nvidia had a chance here to get back some goodwill if they had priced that basic RTX 5060 8 gb and RTX 5060 Ti 16 gb about 10% lower. The 5060 Ti 8 gb should never have been made.

What say you Tech Jesus?

To me this is NVidias downfall and why they are having so may issues. They are making far to many cards. I don't know why they cant just keep it simple to a few cards like the 70, 80 and 90 Series of cards.

They should stick to making High to Middle end cards and let Intel and AMD handle the rest.

RogueSix wrote on Apr 15, 2025, 14:27:

Coalfax wrote on Apr 15, 2025, 14:17:
Nvidia doesn't want to, or will never get, the clue. Major opportunity yet again squandered. Exactly why I moved to Team Red this upgrade (and I only upgrade every 8-10 years.. (aging 2070 creeps along) The sooner the public gets the memo that Nvidia doesn't care about gamers and jettisons their garbage the better.

If you are only upgrading once a decade (and only in the measly 60/70 range) then you are definitely a customer they give exactly zero fucks about lolz .

Let's not take a bullet for a soulless multibillion dollar corporations. They got an army of lawyers and private security and lobbyists for that.

Coalfax wrote on Apr 15, 2025, 14:17:
Nvidia doesn't want to, or will never get, the clue. Major opportunity yet again squandered. Exactly why I moved to Team Red this upgrade (and I only upgrade every 8-10 years.. (aging 2070 creeps along) The sooner the public gets the memo that Nvidia doesn't care about gamers and jettisons their garbage the better.

If you are only upgrading once a decade (and only in the measly 60/70 range) then you are definitely a customer they give exactly zero fucks about lolz .

Nvidia doesn't want to, or will never get, the clue. Major opportunity yet again squandered. Exactly why I moved to Team Red this upgrade (and I only upgrade every 8-10 years.. (aging 2070 creeps along) The sooner the public gets the memo that Nvidia doesn't care about gamers and jettisons their garbage the better.

$299 for obsolete 8GB version, chip is actually binned as a 5050 mobile variant, that's the bullshit founders MSRP which will never really be available to anyone, if you want the anything remotely future proof on the shelf it'll be $600 from an AIB.

But let's all keep parroting the "$299" price tag from the press release like it means fucking anything.

EVERY review for the youtubers who got early 5090 reviews kept quoting the $1999 price. Even though that price was bullshit. And they act surprised.

Makes me think that part of the NDA you have to sign to get early cards is you HAVE to quote the MSRP, and you CAN'T question it until like a week later.

Except everyone just goes back to the original "review" when looking into a product. So it all sounds so reasonable.

8 GB options on new cards in 2025 by Nvidia.